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[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9662926" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>I'm really only interested in analyzing from <em>within</em> the fictional frame, to use your term, when it comes to in-fiction causality.</p><p></p><p>That in-fiction causality is (ideally!) often what drives the play at the table, because the play at the table is (in theory) subservient to and affected by in-fiction events leading one to another.</p><p></p><p>Dismissively saying "it's all in our heads", as one poster (not you) does repeatedly, is redundant. Of course it's all in our heads! The point is that when engaged in play at the table we're acting and behaving based on those things going on in our heads - the "shared fiction" that we're imagining and (one hopes) immersed in - and thus to suggest the fiction has no real-world causality is bupkus.</p><p></p><p>On a micro level the fiction very often causes me-as-player to say what I say when I declare an action for my character or speak in his/her voice. On a macro level the continuation of the fiction is why we get together to play every week.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9662926, member: 29398"] I'm really only interested in analyzing from [I]within[/I] the fictional frame, to use your term, when it comes to in-fiction causality. That in-fiction causality is (ideally!) often what drives the play at the table, because the play at the table is (in theory) subservient to and affected by in-fiction events leading one to another. Dismissively saying "it's all in our heads", as one poster (not you) does repeatedly, is redundant. Of course it's all in our heads! The point is that when engaged in play at the table we're acting and behaving based on those things going on in our heads - the "shared fiction" that we're imagining and (one hopes) immersed in - and thus to suggest the fiction has no real-world causality is bupkus. On a micro level the fiction very often causes me-as-player to say what I say when I declare an action for my character or speak in his/her voice. On a macro level the continuation of the fiction is why we get together to play every week. [/QUOTE]
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