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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9698267" data-attributes="member: 6785785">Because when they came up with the idea they picked a phrase that made sense to them and weren’t worried about pedants discussing it online years later? But we’re showing an alternate way of handling it where it does matter if the attempt succeeds or fails. That’s the most recent example I have from running 5e. The roll to climb the cliff was failed. However, I determined that it didn’t mean the cliff wasn’t climbed, but rather that it took longer than they hoped and led to consequences down the line. I don’t really see how it’s different. You don’t need to repeat it. What I suggest you stop doing is describing the way others do it. Stick to what you do and not how you think others do it.</blockquote>