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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Enrahim" data-source="post: 9701579" data-attributes="member: 7025577">Yes, examples were produced. But when trying to understand exactly what was suggested - that is the neccessary and sufficient conditions for having followed the suggestion - I struggeled to even get a straight forward answer on if fail without retry would be following "fail forward" in the context of D&D as suggested. It was said it wouldn t count as fail forward, but when asked about why, it always pointed back to principles of other games than D&D.To remind you of my last attempt:That produced the following 3 answers:Of these [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] 's answer is the only one I would be able to parse as a sufficiently concrete description of a concept that a suggestion to try it out in D&D become meaningful to me. (Edit - [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] 's description of the indie understanding is also concrete enough, but the assumption of expertice is not in general present in D&D. Hence I thought it was the "adopted" sense that would be relevant for D&D context, which is not what I believe was suggested. So this doesn't help me really understand what would be the suggestion)And I want to cap out this reply with this quote I thought might be relevant.</blockquote>