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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AnotherGuy" data-source="post: 9702012" data-attributes="member: 7029930">I mentioned it upthread that D&D sadly trains players to act in ways that many DMs feel is out of character for their creations. Lanefan mentioned a similar thing that only rational choices are made which always happen to be the most optimal. The game promotes min/maxing due to its style of play and limited loss conditions of real consequence. Their characters are cardboard cut-outs, 2-dimensional, hollow...I'm not saying all players are like this but enough are and it takes some time to weed players off this character-sheet stat mentality. In my recent game...Underdark bugbear ranger decides to abandon the Underdark, the only home he has known, to the demon threat (OotA), abandon his personal quest of vengeance vs an Illithid that he had been a thrall for many years, to join a surface party he had known for a day to deal with their issues.Now I can make it work in the fiction, but there was NO attempt made by this player. The idea never crossed his mind. This dude is an old player who has just joined our table after many years. He is in need of desperate retraining IMO.EDIT: He had a surface character ready to go in the other destination but because he played this bugbear twice he wanted to stick with him and the other character becomes a NPC now.</blockquote>