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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9704358" data-attributes="member: 42582">To me, it seems highly relevant to understanding free kriegsspiel that the referee is (or is intended to be) an expert in the activity they are adjudicating (ie the command of units in battle, and whether the commands are effective).This straight away establishes a stark contrast with most RPGing.What RPG has a failure narrated as a success without complication?I also am a bit dubious of the notion of "self-proclaimed sim fans in this thread". I'm a self-proclaimed sim fan - 1000s of hours of Rolemaster; Burning Wheel, which as I've said in much of its PC build, in much of its approach to setting up skill checks and the like, and in its combat resolution is more simulationist than any version of D&D; a lot of Classic Traveller play, which is also a pretty sim-y game. But I assume that I don't get to count as a "self-proclaimed sim fan" because I also have no objections to the startled cook in a game that permits that sort of approach to a failed roll.</blockquote>