Ready an Action: valid conditions

GlassEye

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In a pbp game I am DMing a player readied an action with his bow using the following condition: ''He pauses, waiting to see if the halfling will try to cast a spell so he can disrupt it, otherwise he will just shoot him if makes a move to do something else."

The halfling had drawn a potion the previous round and drank it during the round he was targeted by the player's readied action. When I posted an update on the combat I said that the character watches for the halfling to cast but he didn't cast a spell so the character loses his readied action.

So, the above is just a little background for my actual question: Is a general ready action such as the above (i.e. I'll attack if he takes any sort of Move or Standard action) a valid condition for the Ready an Action action or is a more specific condition required?
 
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I would have a problem with it.

"I'll shoot him if he does something" would be valid. The problem here is that if the something he does is casting a spell the guy wants to wait until he's far enough into it to disrupt it.

The whole idea of readied actions is that they go fast because there's very little evaluation, you've already decided what to do. This readied action violates that in that the archer must decide what he's doing before he decides whether to shoot or not.
 

I allow one condition triggering one action.

"I shoot him if he does anything," is fine. "I shoot him if he drinks a potion," is likewise fine.

"I shoot the man if he searches the fireplace, but only if the fireplace has no secret compartments," or "I will shoot the man if he comes by, but only if he is not tarrying or running, nor singing. Also, he can't seem to be making apple pies. But only if he's not talking about sports. He can have neither have sombreros nor stilts. He cannot be an acrobat. I will not shoot if he has no expression as he doesn't dally to the west," are all out.

(Apologies to [MENTION=1496]Simplicity[/MENTION])
 

"I'll shoot him if he does something" would be valid.

"I shoot him if he does anything," is fine.

Then what's the point of this statement from the rules:
If you come to your next action and have not yet performed your readied action, you don't get to take the readied action (though you can ready the same action again).

If conditions that are so general as to never not trigger are ok, then what's the point of including a statement that says what happens if you don't take the action? I suppose you could choose not to take your readied action (to answer myself) but it still seems odd to me.
 

Not all uses of a Readied Action are that general.

"If he runs (and therefore goes out of melee), I'll shoot." (Maybe the PC doesn't have Precise Shot)

The target doesn't run, therefore the Readied Action doesn't trigger and therefore you will not have performed your readied action by the time it comes to to your next action (on the next round), but you can take RA again with the same conditions.

Honestly, if you are thinking Readied Actions are binary always on/always off, then I think you're missing the point of them.
 

Some readied actions are more likely to trigger than others.

"I shoot the first person that comes through the door." may never trigger if no one comes through the door before the ready-er's turn comes around again. "I shoot the halfling if he does anything." is pretty likely to trigger, unless the halfling is dead, or remains very still.
 


In a pbp game I am DMing a player readied an action with his bow using the following condition: ''He pauses, waiting to see if the halfling will try to cast a spell so he can disrupt it, otherwise he will just shoot him if makes a move to do something else."

The halfling had drawn a potion the previous round and drank it during the round he was targeted by the player's readied action. When I posted an update on the combat I said that the character watches for the halfling to cast but he didn't cast a spell so the character loses his readied action.

So, the above is just a little background for my actual question: Is a general ready action such as the above (i.e. I'll attack if he takes any sort of Move or Standard action) a valid condition for the Ready an Action action or is a more specific condition required?

To me, a readied action does not mean the character loses all perception of the world around him. He's watching the halfling with (albeit poorly phrased) intent to disrupt the halfling's next action. The character would see the halfling lift the potion flask, and could then fire his arrow to disrupt that action, just as the halfling commencing a spell would allow him to disrupt that action. If the halfling does nothing, or seems to do nothing (concentrates on an existing spell, casts a Still and Silent spell, delays or readies his own action), and the character's initiative rolls around again, he's still waiting for the halfling to do something, so he loses the readied action.

The character basically has three choices when his initiative comes up. He can take an action, ready or delay. This character has chosen no action, so he can ready or delay. The advantage of delay is that he can watch the flow of the combat, and decide how to act when he sees fit. Maybe that's against the halfling, or maybe it's against another target, or he moves to support a teammate in melee, or he does any of a dozen other things.

The advantage of a readied action is speed. He can't take action against anyone but the halfling, but he can take action rapidly enough to disrupt a spell, knock the potion from his grasp or strike him as he draws a weapon. The drawback is flexibility - he's focused on the halfling so he doesn't have the luxury of changing his mind to attack the half dozen orcs that suddenly burst through the door behind him.

"I shoot the man if he searches the fireplace, but only if the fireplace has no secret compartments," could work, but that means the search is completed before he fires. It should also be restated "only if he finds no secret compartments", as a failed search doesn't mean there are none, only that the man stopped searching before finding one. He can't retroactively shoot at the start of the search after the fellow finds nothing.

"I will shoot the man if he comes by, but only if he is not tarrying or running, nor singing. Also, he can't seem to be making apple pies. But only if he's not talking about sports. He can have neither have sombreros nor stilts. He cannot be an acrobat. I will not shoot if he has no expression as he doesn't dally to the west," seems ridiculously complicated. However, he could wait to shoot a member of a specific race, a person of a specific height range, or even "The Chancellor" (what do you think an assassin laying in wait does? He Readies!). He could require the Chancellor be alone, and will not shoot if he's talking, for fear of alerting some nearby guard.

But if the Chancellor is disguised, and that disguise fools our Assassin, he does not fire, since the terms of his action have not, to him, been met. If the person with him is invisible and undetected, he will still fire as the Chancellor seems, to him, to be alone.

To borrow a catch phrase from the developer of a different game system, "apply your common and dramatic sense".
 

Some readied actions are more likely to trigger than others.

"I shoot the first person that comes through the door." may never trigger if no one comes through the door before the ready-er's turn comes around again. "I shoot the halfling if he does anything." is pretty likely to trigger, unless the halfling is dead, or remains very still.

But remaining still IS still doing something. Also, the Halfling is breathing, that would qualify as "doing anything". Also, I am sure the Halfling is in some way defending himself or taking a defensive posture (not just standing still like a statue). That also qualifies as "doing anything".

Might as well use the Readied Action:

I ready an action to take my turn should anything occur during the round which I would like to react to.
 

But remaining still IS still doing something. Also, the Halfling is breathing, that would qualify as "doing anything". Also, I am sure the Halfling is in some way defending himself or taking a defensive posture (not just standing still like a statue). That also qualifies as "doing anything".

Not in D&D its not.
 

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