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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8815085" data-attributes="member: 42856">I think your point of view is that she's displaying hubris all along? Thinking, like the other Noldor, that she can do better than anyone else (the Noldor, and Morgoth, and the Numenoreans, and Isildur...) so you link that to this long theme along Tolkien's writing? Sorry if this appears to be a simple rephrasing of your position, but the show clearly resonated deeply with you and I am not sure why despite your explanations, so I am really trying to understand.Except that in order to relate to hubris, the audience should see the act as having a chance of success. Feeding your own son to Zeus is hubris, but at no point the reader is expected to relate to Tantalus and feel empathy.If we're to relate to Galadriel, I think it's necessary for her scenes to show her as divided on what to do and having the "overconfidence in her strength" pushing her toward the bad solution, without this solution being immediately stupid or suicidal or hateful. If htey want to set her up as a tragic character, they should endeavour to make the choices she makes relatable to the audience.Why? All are elves sharing the same tragic flaw (Celebrimbor above the two other), so the "tragic hubris" would be reinforced if they actually had the discussion. "OK, it was actually Sauron who instructed us on how to make rings. He clearly wanted us to create them, but let's create them nonetheless because, despite knowing it was Sauron's idea, we collectively know better and making the three rings will achieve our goal without him possibly interfering since he wanted us to create a single ring, we'll thwart him this way."Here, they have absolutely no reason to avoid making the ring, that is presented as their only way to survive, using a method that was barely helped by someone that Galadriel says is a bad guy without really telling anything. As much as "jumping overboard" wasn't a decision the audience could relate to, except if the intended goal was self-destruction, in this case "not saying anything" deprives the ring-making decisions of its weight since neither Gil-Galad nor Celembrimbor have any reason not to create their race-saving rings, so the audience sees them as fooled by Galadriel more than by Sauron and it misses the opportunity for the trio to display tragic overconfidence (for that, they'd need to know and yet choose to do it).Edit: also, granting race-saving power to the elven rings paradoxically lessens the hubris of making them, because it is "more overconfident" to say "we'll thwart Sauron for these nice jewels that are good-looking and valuable" because it would be sensible to not make the rings. Here, it's either "we do or we all die in a few years".</blockquote>

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