D&D 5E (2024) Rules question on Lessons of the First Ones and Chained Feats

[Paul Farquhar]

How would you handle a character making a choice that removed multiclass prereqs?

I don’t think that’s possible RAW with Lessons of the First Ones.

 

[Horwath]

How would you handle a character making a choice that removed multiclass prereqs?

cannot advance more in that class until the requirement is made again.

or in feat chain, if there is a 3rd feat in chain and you trade 1st feat after you gain 2nd feat, you keep 2nd feat if mechanics are not directly tied to 1st feat. you also could not gain theoretical 3rd feat in chain until you regain the 1st feat again.

 

[Zardnaar]

How would you handle a character making a choice that removed multiclass prereqs?

RAW you can keep advancing. RAI no idea.

 

[bedir than]

I don’t think that’s possible RAW with Lessons of the First Ones.

I mean in general. There are rare circumstances that can lose the necessary attribute.

If you'd let that character continue to multiclass then you should not lose the feat.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I mean in general. There are rare circumstances that can lose the necessary attribute.

I can't think of any likely ones, but I've never really enforced minimum attributes for multiclassing anyway, it happens so rarely it's not worth bothering with.

If you'd let that character continue to multiclass then you should not lose the feat.

It's not possible with PHB origin feats anyway. It's only if you have chained feats from supplements, such as dragonmarks or Spellfire, that it might be an issue, and its questionable if acquiring these with LotFO is RAI anyway. But thematically, it makes no sense to have later feats in the chain if you don't have the origin feat. Advanced spellfire feats don't work if you don't have spellfire!

 

[Zardnaar]

I can't think of any likely ones, but I've never really enforced minimum attributes for multiclassing anyway, it happens so rarely it's not worth bothering with.

It's not possible with PHB origin feats anyway. It's only if you have chained feats from supplements, such as dragonmarks or Spellfire, that it might be an issue, and its questionable if acquiring these with LotFO is RAI anyway. But thematically, it makes no sense to have later feats in the chain if you don't have the origin feat. Advanced spellfire feats don't work if you don't have spellfire!

RAW they do.

Long time ago I rated Warlocks high this invocation being one reason.

RAW you can swap out the qualifying feat and keep using spellfire.

RAI no idea what they meant.

With HoF and FotA things get interesting as you can take dragonmark feats with Warlock invocations.

 

[ECMO3]

RAW its fine.

RAI shrug. Ask the DM.

I am the DM!

 

[Paul Farquhar]

RAW they do.

Long time ago I rated Warlocks high this invocation being one reason.

RAW you can swap out the qualifying feat and keep using spellfire.

RAI no idea what they meant.

With HoF and FotA things get interesting as you can take dragonmark feats with Warlock invocations.

Yes, it works RAW, but I would always consider how it works in terms of narrative. If your patron cheats you a dragonmark, then a dragonmark appears on your body. If your patron takes it away, then the dragonmark disappears, so you can’t use any feats or abilities (such as using an airship helm) that are narratively tied to having a dragonmark.

 

[ECMO3]

How would you handle a character making a choice that removed multiclass prereqs?

The only multiclass prereq I know if is 13 ability score minimum on one or sometimes two abilities for each class.. I think that is a stupid rule, but I do honor it in play.

I have seen PCs lose strength in play temprarily to Shadows and I have let them keep their classes. FWIW I also do not let PCs use magic items to meet ability score limits - "my 8 Strength PC has Gauntlets of Ogre Power so I am going to multiclass into Barbarian now."

I don't know why or how a PC would purposely lower their ability score, but if it got permanently lowered by some custom monster after they had already multiclassed, I would let them stay multiclassed and personally I would let them take more levels in the class with the now lower than 13 stat..

 

[Misanthrope Prime]

I'm of the opinion the user should retain access to the feat. It feels like cheating... but they're a warlock. Cheating is the point of selling your soul!