[Savage Species] What is the BAB of an Ogre Mage Ftr 10?

FireLance

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This is not a trick question.

By the core rules, an ogre mage has a BAB of +3. Adding 10 Fighter levels would give a BAB of +13.

However, using the rules in Savage Species, an ogre mage is a level 12 character. After adding 8 levels of Fighter, he would be a level 20 character. His next two levels of fighter would only give him a +1 epic attack bonus since he is now an Epic level character. Final tally: effective BAB of +12.

How would you deal with this apparent discrepancy? Would you apply different rules to PC and NPC ogre magi?

Thoughts?
 

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Korimyr, his example was using the "Monster Class" concept from the SavS, so I understand fully his confusion.

Firelance: BAB is based on HD not purely on levels, when using Monster Class. So your first 20 HD determine your BAB, regardless of levels etc, when figuring Epic / Nonepic, as far as BAB goes.

So both characetrs would have the same +13 BAB.

And both characters are Epic.
 

Thanks, Pax. That makes much more sense now. I got side-tracked by all the ECL 20 monster class statements that multiclassing requires the rules in the Epic Level Handbook.

I guess HD should also be used for base saves, max skill ranks, and ability score increases. Interesting thought, though: can an Ogre Mage Fighter 10 (HD 15, ECL 22) use his 15th HD feat slot to take an Epic feat? On the one hand, it would help keep him balanced with other Epic level characters. On the other hand, he only has 15 HD.

Oh well.
 

As for skill ranks -- yes, that's the rule, IIRC.

As for feats -- for FEATS, HD is irrelevant. Only ECL matters -- ELH, page 25 (sidebar) ... lower rightmost corner.

Your Ogre Mage Fighter(10) can select an Epic feat for their 15th HD.


S/He can also select an Epic Fighter feat for their Fighter(10) level -- ELH page 8, towards the middle-right of hte page:

"Whenever an epic character is allowed to pick up a feat as part of character level advancement, he can choose eitehr a nonepic feat or an epic feat (see table 1-2: Experience and LEvel-Dependant Benefits). All class descriptions provide a list of bonus feats that characters must choose form. When you have to choose from a list of feats in your second class, you can also choose from the bonus epic feats escribed for each specific class below."

So your example can have a total of TWO epic feats. 8)

Put it this way -- Half-Dragon Fighter(18)? ECL 21 ... the Character 18 and Fighter 18 feats can BOTH be Epic. 8) As can the Fighter (20) when ge gets tehre (and is ECL23).

Epic, with regards to feats, is an on/off switch ... and ECL is all the switch looks at.
 
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