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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goonalan" data-source="post: 5663095" data-attributes="member: 16069">I considered this-What I probably would have done is used scenario three when Kali spotted the creature in the corner--Kali is aware of the enemy, the enemy is aware of the party, the enemy and Kali get surprise round actions.The problem with that of course is... well you've not seen the whole set up yet, but without ruining the surprise there's another creature to act after Viator, and that creature is the controller (in all ways) of the other two. My problem really is if you can't ready an action outside of Init then the surprise round has to be the way to go- otherwise how do you simulate an enemy that lures creatures in, or ambushes. The problem is compounded by the fact that creature is really waiting for an event to occur (for the PCs to get close). To all intents and purposes it is a readied action...Oddness.As stated previously I'll mostly use the this line is good, this line requires stealth- or similar.Thanks for going through this with me, I'm out for consensus- if you have a better idea then I would have changed to fit your suggestion. I usually try to evolve an understanding of each edition of D&D.Cheers PDR</blockquote>