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Message: <blockquote data-quote="F5" data-source="post: 1976840" data-attributes="member: 4607">Don't have Frostburn, so I'm not familiar with the spell.  Can you post some more info about it?  Specifically, what's the duration?  How was it devastating, exactly...were you draining the target's dex completely and paralyzing them?Since having Dex reduced to 0 paralyzes you, it's most similar to the Hold spells.  It effects pretty much any creature (very few creatures out there have the Cold template), so it beats out Hold Person there.   The No Save is also very nice.  But it requires a touch attack, while Hold is at range, and you're not necessarily going to drain a target's dex to 0...you could roll a three on 3d6 and have practically no effect.  Best-case scenario, you paralyze the target, which you could have done with Hold Person from a safe distance.  It's more useful overall, since it can be used on any Type of creature, but it's usefulness varies depending on your roll.So, unless the duration is really up there, I'd say it's pretty evenly matched with Hold Person at 3rd level.  If it can (potentially) paralyze any type of creature for minutes, or hours, that may be a bit much.</blockquote>