Spell-like abilities for magical crafting?

[RUMBLETiGER]

Can a creature's spell-like abilities be used for the spell component in crafting Magical items, like wants, wondrous items, etc if they replicate the effects of the spell?

How about Supernatural abilities?

How about magical items that produce spell effects?

 

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Can a creature's spell-like abilities be used for the spell component in crafting Magical items, like wants, wondrous items, etc if they replicate the effects of the spell?

How about Supernatural abilities?

How about magical items that produce spell effects?

1. Yes
2. I am not sure, I would say yes so long as it is the spell and not like. Usually supernatural effects are very different than their spell counterparts. An example would be a cone of cold versus the White Dragon's breath weapon. While they may produce a similar effect and White Dragon's breath weapon constantly scales in strength and effectiveness to the amount of hit die it has. A cone of cold spell maxes at a caster level of 15 and the DC is dependent of spell level. So if a White Dragon didn't have a cone of cold in its sorcerer's list of spells known it can't make an item of it even though it has a much more powerful one available to it naturally.
3. No, the magical device has its own power and set of components. All you do is direct it and turn it on. Using a magical item doesn't mean you have full knowledge of the spell.

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

1. Yes
2. I am not sure, I would say yes so long as it is the spell and not like. Usually supernatural effects are very different than their spell counterparts. An example would be a cone of cold versus the White Dragon's breath weapon. While they may produce a similar effect and White Dragon's breath weapon constantly scales in strength and effectiveness to the amount of hit die it has. A cone of cold spell maxes at a caster level of 15 and the DC is dependent of spell level. So if a White Dragon didn't have a cone of cold in its sorcerer's list of spells known it can't make an item of it even though it has a much more powerful one available to it naturally.
3. No, the magical device has its own power and set of components. All you do is direct it and turn it on. Using a magical item doesn't mean you have full knowledge of the spell.

1. Groovy. Is this supported by RAW anyplace?
2. I was assuming supernatural effects that are are the spell in all ways except, well, they're supernatural effects.
3. Makes sense, I was figuring this one wouldn't.

I'm just imagining a PC seeking the help of a Fay, Unicorn, Drow, etc... etc... to supply the 'Spell' for the creation of a magical item. Could be useful.