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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3121739" data-attributes="member: 1656">While I firmly believe that this is the intention of the feat, it's not what they actually wrote in 3.5.The definition of a standard action changed between 3E and 3.5.  In 3E, the Attack action was a standard action, which let you move your speed and attack, attack and move your speed, or attack and take a single move-equivalent action.  The move was a part of the standard action.In 3.5, however, the Attack action is a standard action, which is essentially the equivalent of a 3E partial action.  It lets you attack.  The move action is completely unrelated.In a normal round in 3.5, you get a move action, and a standard action.  In the surprise round, you are restricted to a single standard action.So let's look at what Spring Attack in 3.5 says, for a character in the surprise round."When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed."Can I use the attack action with a melee weapon?  Certainly - it's a standard action, which I can take even in the surprise round.  So what does the feat let me do when I take the attack action?  I can move both before and after the attack, provided that my total distance moved is not greater than my speed.The feat allows me to move up to 30 feet when I take the Attack action.  The movement derives not from a move action, but from the standard action modified by the feat.So now let's take a normal round.  I take the Attack action with a melee weapon, and the feat lets me move up to 30 feet.  I've used my standard action... and I have a move action remaining.  Can I use it to move another 30 feet?  Arguable... it depends on whether the phrase "total distance moved" refers to during the standard action, or during the round.  I may be restricted to using that move action for non-movement purposes.Now, it's my strong belief that this was in fact an oversight in the revision... that when the standard action was changed, the Spring Attack feat was not correctly updated to reflect this.  Hence, in my own game, I require the expediture of an Attack action and a move action to use Spring Attack.But it's not what the feat says in the book.-Hyp.</blockquote>

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