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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 3582474" data-attributes="member: 8158">Look, guys you are being seriously arguementative. Instead of just saying "I see where you're coming from", you're coming back with stuff like "oh, he's not a player-character" or "it's Luke's story, so they just held back" or "I write this off as the player being sleepy" (what the...?) or some other comment that basically evades the issues of whether or not anyone other than jedi were steeped in combat feats. OK, now you're opposing me while adopting my position. Heroes can survive and succeed against nonheroes in both Saga and the movies just by their innate "heroicness", not because they're elite warriors. What fights did the non-jedis lose? Well, I'll grant Han is a good guy to have on your side in a dogfight, but once they're skirmishing there's not a lot to write home about. In New Hope there's really only the Death Star battle, which is them running in, grabbing Leia, and then fleeing. In Empire Strikes Back, I can't think of any major firefights, because again they're running away until they run into Vader like a brick wall and Han can't touch the guy. It's not even close (and if you start replying "yeah, but that's Darth Vader", then give yourself a whack because that is, once again, very much my point). In Return of the Jedi, they go to rescue Han, and there's no fight when the infiltration attempt fails. They simply surrender and let Luke save the day. And on the ground, the Battle for Endor is pretty much troopers versus ewoks and their slings and log-traps (that's why a lot of folks wound up not liking it after all). In short, you can think up all the mitigating issues you want that excuse a less-than-stellar showing, but at the end of the day, the non-jedis are just not that steeped in kick-butt combat skills. It's not an accident that the examples for the Soldier class is limited to a bunch of minor characters like Admiral Akbar.Yeah, they do okay. That's a pretty good way of putting it. And they'd do okay in Saga just milking their level-based bonuses to attack and damage. But they're not masters of blaster-fu.</blockquote>

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