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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 3583141" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>Jengo Fett and General Grievous are very good examples of heroic-level characters giving a jedi a run for his money. I say that with some partiality, as I used Jengo Fett as an example myself this weekend when one of the pundits in our group responded to the notion of running Star Wars Saga the same way some folks did when they first heard about the Star Wars Galaxies MMORPG: "Well, you know, everyone will want to play a jedi". I do like the designers' decision to assume all heroic characters can potentially be extremely effective combatants. General Grievous is a little more tricky to use as an example, since he's not really something a PC could aspire to. In a lot of ways it's better to think of him as a monster.</p><p></p><p>But this is off my point, which was just that it isn't accurate to say that being true to the movies means making every player character heavily-invested in combat talents and feats. People don't seem to disagree with that statement...yet at the same time they do.</p><p></p><p></p><p>See, referring to what level the characters are, or otherwise describing them in game terms, is kind of a cop-out since this debate stemmed not from how the characters performed in a game, but rather how they performed in a movie (and whether or not the game is reflecting that accurately). You're mixing up the cart and the horse. Lucas didn't decide Han couldn't beat Vader because of their respective experience point totals. He just decided that a relatively normal guy firing a blaster isn't going to take down Vader. The guys designed Saga decided to use level discrepencies to keep Han a badass gunslinger while explaining his ignominious defeat.</p><p></p><p>But you're right, Han didn't have a chance against Vader because he's Vader. Which means I'm right too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 3583141, member: 8158"] Jengo Fett and General Grievous are very good examples of heroic-level characters giving a jedi a run for his money. I say that with some partiality, as I used Jengo Fett as an example myself this weekend when one of the pundits in our group responded to the notion of running Star Wars Saga the same way some folks did when they first heard about the Star Wars Galaxies MMORPG: "Well, you know, everyone will want to play a jedi". I do like the designers' decision to assume all heroic characters can potentially be extremely effective combatants. General Grievous is a little more tricky to use as an example, since he's not really something a PC could aspire to. In a lot of ways it's better to think of him as a monster. But this is off my point, which was just that it isn't accurate to say that being true to the movies means making every player character heavily-invested in combat talents and feats. People don't seem to disagree with that statement...yet at the same time they do. See, referring to what level the characters are, or otherwise describing them in game terms, is kind of a cop-out since this debate stemmed not from how the characters performed in a game, but rather how they performed in a movie (and whether or not the game is reflecting that accurately). You're mixing up the cart and the horse. Lucas didn't decide Han couldn't beat Vader because of their respective experience point totals. He just decided that a relatively normal guy firing a blaster isn't going to take down Vader. The guys designed Saga decided to use level discrepencies to keep Han a badass gunslinger while explaining his ignominious defeat. But you're right, Han didn't have a chance against Vader because he's Vader. Which means I'm right too. [/QUOTE]
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