Starship Luxury Ratings

[capn_awesome]

My friends and I have started up a campaign with the current playtest documents and I wanted to provide some feedback.

First off, Morrus, I like a lot of ideas in the games and I'm really looking forward to seeing the finished product.

So I was working on building starships and ran in to problems getting luxury ratings high enough to keep the ship functional. I ran the numbers of how many cabins, etc. it would take to get over a 1 luxury rating / crew.

I have this factored out in a Google Spreadsheet but I can't post the link since I'm a newbie so I posted it below.

I think the problem comes down to the fact that the crew requirements grow faster than the CU of the ship. So the short version is that the most 'efficient' ship for luxury is a Class IV and you can't make a Class XVI or higher ship without taking the luxury penalty (barring the floating mall approach).

So I'm not sure what the best solution is but it'd be nice to figure out a way to make usable larger ships.

Ship Class

Crew

Base Luxury

CU

Crew / CU

% CU for Luxury 1 with Std. Cabin

& CU for Luxury 1 With Std Layout

Std Loadout Lux

Std CU Used

Cabins Lux

Cabin CU

Pods Lux

Standard Loadout

O

1/3 standard cabins

I

2/3 double cabins

II

Escape Pods per crew

III

IV

V

VI

VII

VIII

IX

X

XI

XII

XIII

XIV

XV

XVI

XVII

XVIII

XIX

XX

XXI

XXII

[TD="align: right"]3[/TD][TD="align: right"]0[/TD][TD="align: right"]5[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.600[/TD][TD="align: right"]60.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.5[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]2.5[/TD][TD="align: right"]2.75[/TD][TD="align: right"]2.5[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.75[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4[/TD][TD="align: right"]1[/TD][TD="align: right"]10[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.400[/TD][TD="align: right"]40.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]33.33%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]3.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]3.67[/TD][TD="align: right"]3.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]1[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5[/TD][TD="align: right"]2[/TD][TD="align: right"]40[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.125[/TD][TD="align: right"]12.50%[/TD][TD="align: right"]10.42%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]4.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]4.58[/TD][TD="align: right"]4.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.25[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7[/TD][TD="align: right"]3[/TD][TD="align: right"]90[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.078[/TD][TD="align: right"]7.78%[/TD][TD="align: right"]6.48%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]5.8[/TD][TD="align: right"]6.42[/TD][TD="align: right"]5.8[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.75[/TD] [TD="align: right"]12[/TD][TD="align: right"]4[/TD][TD="align: right"]160[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.075[/TD][TD="align: right"]7.50%[/TD][TD="align: right"]6.25%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]10.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]11.00[/TD][TD="align: right"]10.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]3[/TD] [TD="align: right"]20[/TD][TD="align: right"]5[/TD][TD="align: right"]250[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.080[/TD][TD="align: right"]8.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]6.67%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]16.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]18.33[/TD][TD="align: right"]16.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]5[/TD] [TD="align: right"]30[/TD][TD="align: right"]6[/TD][TD="align: right"]360[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.083[/TD][TD="align: right"]8.33%[/TD][TD="align: right"]6.94%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]25.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]27.50[/TD][TD="align: right"]25.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]7.5[/TD] [TD="align: right"]50[/TD][TD="align: right"]7[/TD][TD="align: right"]490[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.102[/TD][TD="align: right"]10.20%[/TD][TD="align: right"]8.50%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]41.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]45.83[/TD][TD="align: right"]41.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]12.5[/TD] [TD="align: right"]100[/TD][TD="align: right"]8[/TD][TD="align: right"]640[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.156[/TD][TD="align: right"]15.63%[/TD][TD="align: right"]13.02%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]83.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]91.67[/TD][TD="align: right"]83.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]25[/TD] [TD="align: right"]200[/TD][TD="align: right"]9[/TD][TD="align: right"]810[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.247[/TD][TD="align: right"]24.69%[/TD][TD="align: right"]20.58%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]166.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]183.33[/TD][TD="align: right"]166.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]50[/TD] [TD="align: right"]300[/TD][TD="align: right"]10[/TD][TD="align: right"]1000[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.300[/TD][TD="align: right"]30.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]25.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]250.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]275.00[/TD][TD="align: right"]250.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]75[/TD] [TD="align: right"]400[/TD][TD="align: right"]11[/TD][TD="align: right"]1210[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.331[/TD][TD="align: right"]33.06%[/TD][TD="align: right"]27.55%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]333.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]366.67[/TD][TD="align: right"]333.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]100[/TD] [TD="align: right"]500[/TD][TD="align: right"]12[/TD][TD="align: right"]1440[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.347[/TD][TD="align: right"]34.72%[/TD][TD="align: right"]28.94%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]416.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]458.33[/TD][TD="align: right"]416.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]125[/TD] [TD="align: right"]750[/TD][TD="align: right"]13[/TD][TD="align: right"]1690[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.444[/TD][TD="align: right"]44.38%[/TD][TD="align: right"]36.98%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]625.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]687.50[/TD][TD="align: right"]625.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]187.5[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1000[/TD][TD="align: right"]14[/TD][TD="align: right"]1960[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.510[/TD][TD="align: right"]51.02%[/TD][TD="align: right"]42.52%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]833.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]916.67[/TD][TD="align: right"]833.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]250[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2000[/TD][TD="align: right"]15[/TD][TD="align: right"]2250[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.889[/TD][TD="align: right"]88.89%[/TD][TD="align: right"]74.07%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]1666.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]1833.33[/TD][TD="align: right"]1666.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]500[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3000[/TD][TD="align: right"]16[/TD][TD="align: right"]2560[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.172[/TD][TD="align: right"]117.19%[/TD][TD="align: right"]97.66%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]2500.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]2750.00[/TD][TD="align: right"]2500.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]750[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4000[/TD][TD="align: right"]17[/TD][TD="align: right"]2890[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.384[/TD][TD="align: right"]138.41%[/TD][TD="align: right"]115.34%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]3333.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]3666.67[/TD][TD="align: right"]3333.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]1000[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5000[/TD][TD="align: right"]18[/TD][TD="align: right"]3240[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.543[/TD][TD="align: right"]154.32%[/TD][TD="align: right"]128.60%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]4166.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]4583.33[/TD][TD="align: right"]4166.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]1250[/TD] [TD="align: right"]6000[/TD][TD="align: right"]19[/TD][TD="align: right"]3610[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.662[/TD][TD="align: right"]166.20%[/TD][TD="align: right"]138.50%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]5000.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]5500.00[/TD][TD="align: right"]5000.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]1500[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7000[/TD][TD="align: right"]20[/TD][TD="align: right"]4000[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.750[/TD][TD="align: right"]175.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]145.83%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]5833.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]6416.67[/TD][TD="align: right"]5833.3[/TD][TD="align: right"]1750[/TD] [TD="align: right"]8000[/TD][TD="align: right"]21[/TD][TD="align: right"]4410[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.814[/TD][TD="align: right"]181.41%[/TD][TD="align: right"]151.17%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]6666.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]7333.33[/TD][TD="align: right"]6666.7[/TD][TD="align: right"]2000[/TD] [TD="align: right"]9000[/TD][TD="align: right"]22[/TD][TD="align: right"]4840[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.860[/TD][TD="align: right"]185.95%[/TD][TD="align: right"]154.96%[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD][TD="align: right"]7500.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]8250.00[/TD][TD="align: right"]7500.0[/TD][TD="align: right"]2250[/TD]

 

[LucasC]

Why are you only using cabins? They are a 1:1 rating (lux:CU). Add some other things like a galley, chapel and/or gym (10:3) or a bar (15:4) and then increase their quality and you get more for the same CU.

Escape pods cost no space so you can load up on them as well and get LUX in trade for only money.

 

[capn_awesome]

avoiding degenerate cases

Why are you only using cabins? They are a 1:1 rating (lux:CU). Add some other things like a galley, chapel and/or gym (10:3) or a bar (15:4) and then increase their quality and you get more for the same CU.

Escape pods cost no space so you can load up on them as well and get LUX in trade for only money.

So I mentioned the 'floating shopping mall' as the degenerate case of just min/maxing to get the LUX value up. Same with the escape pods.

I was trying to set up more realistic situations since this is a RPG and my friends and I try to go for more story-driven games than a computer RPG where min/maxing is a bit more normal.

Either way if you go with shops this still breaks down since the crew requirements grow faster than the CU of the ships.

Here's a chart showing just the growth of crew vs CU per class

Ship Class	Crew	Base Luxury	CU	Crew / CU	Crew Increase %	CU increase %
O
I
II
III
IV
V
VI
VII
VIII
IX
X
XI
XII
XIII
XIV
XV
XVI
XVII
XVIII
XIX
XX
XXI
XXII

[TD="align: right"]3[/TD][TD="align: right"]0[/TD][TD="align: right"]5[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.600[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.00%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4[/TD][TD="align: right"]1[/TD][TD="align: right"]10[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.400[/TD][TD="align: right"]33.33%[/TD][TD="align: right"]100.00%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5[/TD][TD="align: right"]2[/TD][TD="align: right"]40[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.125[/TD][TD="align: right"]25.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]300.00%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7[/TD][TD="align: right"]3[/TD][TD="align: right"]90[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.078[/TD][TD="align: right"]40.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]125.00%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]12[/TD][TD="align: right"]4[/TD][TD="align: right"]160[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.075[/TD][TD="align: right"]71.43%[/TD][TD="align: right"]77.78%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]20[/TD][TD="align: right"]5[/TD][TD="align: right"]250[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.080[/TD][TD="align: right"]66.67%[/TD][TD="align: right"]56.25%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]30[/TD][TD="align: right"]6[/TD][TD="align: right"]360[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.083[/TD][TD="align: right"]50.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]44.00%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]50[/TD][TD="align: right"]7[/TD][TD="align: right"]490[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.102[/TD][TD="align: right"]66.67%[/TD][TD="align: right"]36.11%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]100[/TD][TD="align: right"]8[/TD][TD="align: right"]640[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.156[/TD][TD="align: right"]100.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]30.61%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]200[/TD][TD="align: right"]9[/TD][TD="align: right"]810[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.247[/TD][TD="align: right"]100.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]26.56%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]300[/TD][TD="align: right"]10[/TD][TD="align: right"]1000[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.300[/TD][TD="align: right"]50.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]23.46%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]400[/TD][TD="align: right"]11[/TD][TD="align: right"]1210[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.331[/TD][TD="align: right"]33.33%[/TD][TD="align: right"]21.00%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]500[/TD][TD="align: right"]12[/TD][TD="align: right"]1440[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.347[/TD][TD="align: right"]25.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]19.01%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]750[/TD][TD="align: right"]13[/TD][TD="align: right"]1690[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.444[/TD][TD="align: right"]50.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]17.36%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1000[/TD][TD="align: right"]14[/TD][TD="align: right"]1960[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.510[/TD][TD="align: right"]33.33%[/TD][TD="align: right"]15.98%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2000[/TD][TD="align: right"]15[/TD][TD="align: right"]2250[/TD][TD="align: right"]0.889[/TD][TD="align: right"]100.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]14.80%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3000[/TD][TD="align: right"]16[/TD][TD="align: right"]2560[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.172[/TD][TD="align: right"]50.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]13.78%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4000[/TD][TD="align: right"]17[/TD][TD="align: right"]2890[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.384[/TD][TD="align: right"]33.33%[/TD][TD="align: right"]12.89%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5000[/TD][TD="align: right"]18[/TD][TD="align: right"]3240[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.543[/TD][TD="align: right"]25.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]12.11%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]6000[/TD][TD="align: right"]19[/TD][TD="align: right"]3610[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.662[/TD][TD="align: right"]20.00%[/TD][TD="align: right"]11.42%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7000[/TD][TD="align: right"]20[/TD][TD="align: right"]4000[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.750[/TD][TD="align: right"]16.67%[/TD][TD="align: right"]10.80%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]8000[/TD][TD="align: right"]21[/TD][TD="align: right"]4410[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.814[/TD][TD="align: right"]14.29%[/TD][TD="align: right"]10.25%[/TD] [TD="align: right"]9000[/TD][TD="align: right"]22[/TD][TD="align: right"]4840[/TD][TD="align: right"]1.860[/TD][TD="align: right"]12.50%[/TD][TD="align: right"]9.75%[/TD]

 

[LucasC]

I guess I didn't really think of adding a galley or a mess hall as creating a floating mall. If these ships are meant to support long voyages they'll have to have some sort of support for people beyond just a cot. And if they do only have a cot then the crew probably would be a little grumpy. =)

Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

[Morrus]

The Enterprise has bars, restaurants, holodecks, gymnasiums, gardens, all sorts of stuff.

There are ways to reduce crew requirements (better computers) in the next update.