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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 545510" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>The spell is very powerful. That's why, when I DM, it needs to be a very reasonable suggestion.</p><p></p><p>"The people in the town are undead zombies. . . ." would probably merit automatic success on the saving throw unless something actually made the people in town look dead, smell, and shuffle around like zombies.</p><p></p><p>Now, OTOH, if a fleeing party used Silent Image to create the illusion of a wall in front of them (making the room appear empty) and the group of pursuing orcs burst into the room, I'd give a -2 or a -4 penalty to the save against "there's no-one in here; you should hurry after the adventurers if you want to catch them."</p><p></p><p>Similarly, if Merry or Pippin were able to cast Suggestion, I'd give the leader of the orcs a -2 or a -4 to his save if they suggested: "He's questioning your authority, you'd better kill him so the other orcs don't forget their place" when the orcs started bickering over killing Merry and Pippin. That's the kind of thing that an orc probably would think.</p><p></p><p>A bonus to the save might be appropriate for the Storm Trooper in Episode IV. "These aren't the droids you're looking for." (They match the descriptions).</p><p></p><p>An unmodified save might be appropriate in this situation: The party kicks in the door to the villain's ritual, glaives in hand. Two of the bugbears moves forward and are struck for large amounts of damage on AoOs. The third bugbear hears "You're outnumbered and outmatched, you should run for your life."</p><p></p><p>Suggestion is a very very versatile spell. But it's not a substitute for Hold Person, Blindness, or Dominate Person as some people I've played with have tried to make it).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 545510, member: 3146"] The spell is very powerful. That's why, when I DM, it needs to be a very reasonable suggestion. "The people in the town are undead zombies. . . ." would probably merit automatic success on the saving throw unless something actually made the people in town look dead, smell, and shuffle around like zombies. Now, OTOH, if a fleeing party used Silent Image to create the illusion of a wall in front of them (making the room appear empty) and the group of pursuing orcs burst into the room, I'd give a -2 or a -4 penalty to the save against "there's no-one in here; you should hurry after the adventurers if you want to catch them." Similarly, if Merry or Pippin were able to cast Suggestion, I'd give the leader of the orcs a -2 or a -4 to his save if they suggested: "He's questioning your authority, you'd better kill him so the other orcs don't forget their place" when the orcs started bickering over killing Merry and Pippin. That's the kind of thing that an orc probably would think. A bonus to the save might be appropriate for the Storm Trooper in Episode IV. "These aren't the droids you're looking for." (They match the descriptions). An unmodified save might be appropriate in this situation: The party kicks in the door to the villain's ritual, glaives in hand. Two of the bugbears moves forward and are struck for large amounts of damage on AoOs. The third bugbear hears "You're outnumbered and outmatched, you should run for your life." Suggestion is a very very versatile spell. But it's not a substitute for Hold Person, Blindness, or Dominate Person as some people I've played with have tried to make it). [/QUOTE]
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