Spoilers Supergirl

[Zardnaar]

That's lying with statistics. Great book. Shows the fallacy of the argument, especially as there were multiple issues that affected the BO, and I don't think your supposition that she is unknown is one of them.

Relatively unknown.
Im using MCU as comparison. They used a string of successful movies as a lead in to their lesser known characters. Early MCU films were the B listers due to rights issues. They still can't use Spiderman and Sonys making money off him.

Not all B listers made bank though. Eg Hulk. He never got his own standalone after tgat 1 movie. Ironman was also a B lister.

MCU really blew up after The Avengers though .

If Hulk and pre Avenger Iron Man are B listers where would that leave Supergirl? X-Men would also have been B list before they blew up over successive successful movies imho.

Do you think Supergirl is on the same level as them before they blew up? She doesnt have the same pop culture relevance as them or Wonder Women. Combine that with a lack of momentum/lead in and overall superhero fatigue is probably the main reason. DC specifically has a the opposite problem of a string of successful movies as a lead in. Shes not Batman, Superman, Spiderman or Wonder Women. No one cared about the GotG either but they came post Avengers. She has been in some stuff so she's not the D team either.

Avengers adjusted for inflation made triple the recent Superman movie. Not a bad lead in if you're trying to elevate the rest imho.

Scarface will likely have similar issues. Cheaper movie and sub genre might save it. Objectively he's even less known than Supergirl (who tf is Scarface?).

 

[Morrus]

So, uhh, anybody got any thoughts on that Supergirl movie? What did you think of it?

 

[Kaodi]

People kept saying Scarface and I am like, "What does this conversation have to do with that Al Pacino movie?" but you mean the ventriloquist dummy.

 

[Stalker0]

BS, with two female leads and a female support role:
Black Widow broke several pandemic box office records and grossed over $379 million worldwide. The film received positive reviews from critics, with particular praise for the action sequences and for the performances of Johansson and Pugh.

and honestly, I thought Black Widow was hot garbage overall. Which again just shows where the winds are blowing. A pretty mediocre a few years ago could still make some bank. Now its a complete and total flop.

 

[Thierry-Advent]

and honestly, I thought Black Widow was hot garbage overall. Which again just shows where the winds are blowing. A pretty mediocre a few years ago could still make some bank. Now its a complete and total flop.

I really enjoy Black Widow. That’s just your opinion. It shows nothing.

 

[Kaodi]

So, uhh, anybody got any thoughts on that Supergirl movie? What did you think of it?

Any talk of bombshells on my part in the last page or two should not be taken as me thinking Milly was not perfectly cast as "Hot Mess Kara" because she absolutely was. A better script and maybe better directly could have helped but her acting was great.

I think though that in some ways tangents are a way to keep talking about a thing past the point where you had direct observations.

Also, for the .07% of you who have seen Strays I was really thrilled to see Emily Piggford as Ruthye's mom. It was just too bad her job was to be killed off immediately.

 

[AnotherGuy]

And you saying that is isn't doesn't make it so. You haven't even seen Supergirl, yet you're determined that it be considered a bad movie to the extent of arguing with people who have seen it. That's just.. weird. Just go see it, man, and tell us what you thought of it. None of this other guff matters.

You literally said you preferred it more than MotU. Why would I go watch a movie which is supposedly worse than another movie which I think needed a polish. That makes no sense.
I'll wait till it comes on Netflix later this year. Just be a little patient for my detailed analysis.

 

[AnotherGuy]

Wasnt that the point? also comic fans are just a subset of superhero movie fans. Most movie watchers don't read comics on a regular basis.

Sure but to discount the fact that character is just a rip-off of another character which plays no role in viewer interest is a weird take IMO.

I also want to add that sexisms is most definitely not the one reason and the other reasons stated in this thread probably weigh more - but I think we also cant completely exclude it as a factor. I think female-lead movies have often a higher expectation barrier. Like a female-lead movie with a bad script has a much higher chance to bomb at the box-office than a male-lead movie that more often do reasonable well even with a bad script or general bad quality. Not saying that male-lead bad movies never bomb, they often do too of course. But a male-lead action movie can even with bad script and other problems still recoup the budget or be a minor success just with some basic action popcorn entertainment (later transformer or F&F movies, Tom Hardys Venom, Jurassic World: Dominion). I cant remember any non-sexualised female-lead mainstream movie with qualitative problems that still was successful at the box office. Make the lead sexy and eye candy and appeal to the male gaze - suddenly it works (Resident Evil movies, Underworld movies).

There is a reason for this...fan bases for Jason Mo and Tom Hardy and abc exist which allows for bad script movies + other problems to recoup their budgets.
Exactly what fan base did they tap into for Milly Alcock? Lets be honest Lobo's cameo was supposed to help with that, but Jason-fatigue is real.

Scarlet Jo and Gal Gadot had fan bases hence their movies recouped their budgets. Even Tomb Raider 1 succeeded in that with Angelina.
As for TR 2 "Angelina Jolie openly blamed the film's poor marketing on billboard posters that were heavily airbrushed to "remove all sexuality" from her character, which she believed alienated the core audience."

 

[chuckdee]

Any talk of bombshells on my part in the last page or two should not be taken as me thinking Milly was not perfectly cast as "Hot Mess Kara" because she absolutely was. A better script and maybe better directly could have helped but her acting was great.

Yeah, this is what I thought to. JM was also pitch perfect as Lobo. It's just that this movie failed them.

 

[Marc Radle]

and honestly, I thought Black Widow was hot garbage overall. Which again just shows where the winds are blowing. A pretty mediocre a few years ago could still make some bank. Now its a complete and total flop.

I thought Black Widow was a very good movie