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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 1210486" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>I've long heard people complain about how back in the days of AD&D Second Edition, you were often forced to have a multitude of non-core books, since they all referenced material from each other. Personally, I don't really believe that. I got into the game with 2E, and I bought a truckload of 2E materials, most of which I loved (and still love), and I just don't recall that much instance of a product requiring you to use another non-core product without it giving you something to help (alternate reference, abbreviated stat block, etc).</p><p></p><p>Thus, I'm asking people here to list examples of this so-called "product creep" that 2E was rife with. Please post a product you remember that referenced something you could only get in another book. To try and keep this marginally accurate, here are some guidelines for this:</p><p></p><p>1) Things that reference the 2E PHB, DMG, and MM don't count. I know, duh. This one is a no-brainer, but I want this to be as clear as possible.</p><p></p><p>2) Campaign-specific books that reference the campaign setting do not count. You can't really be that upset if a Dark Sun adventure required you to have the Dark Sun boxed set. That's just implied.</p><p></p><p>3) When given an abbreviated stat block, or an alternate listing, it doesn't count as "product creep". They aren't requiring you to have the other book here, since they're giving you the basic information needed, or telling you what the substitute is.</p><p></p><p>4) Products that were obviously meant to be sets don't count. If you bought Dawn of the Overmind, which was part of the adventure series based on the Illithiad, then you really don't have a right to be angry if it references material from the Illithiad.</p><p></p><p>So, with that in mind...was 2E really all that bad?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 1210486, member: 8461"] I've long heard people complain about how back in the days of AD&D Second Edition, you were often forced to have a multitude of non-core books, since they all referenced material from each other. Personally, I don't really believe that. I got into the game with 2E, and I bought a truckload of 2E materials, most of which I loved (and still love), and I just don't recall that much instance of a product requiring you to use another non-core product without it giving you something to help (alternate reference, abbreviated stat block, etc). Thus, I'm asking people here to list examples of this so-called "product creep" that 2E was rife with. Please post a product you remember that referenced something you could only get in another book. To try and keep this marginally accurate, here are some guidelines for this: 1) Things that reference the 2E PHB, DMG, and MM don't count. I know, duh. This one is a no-brainer, but I want this to be as clear as possible. 2) Campaign-specific books that reference the campaign setting do not count. You can't really be that upset if a Dark Sun adventure required you to have the Dark Sun boxed set. That's just implied. 3) When given an abbreviated stat block, or an alternate listing, it doesn't count as "product creep". They aren't requiring you to have the other book here, since they're giving you the basic information needed, or telling you what the substitute is. 4) Products that were obviously meant to be sets don't count. If you bought Dawn of the Overmind, which was part of the adventure series based on the Illithiad, then you really don't have a right to be angry if it references material from the Illithiad. So, with that in mind...was 2E really all that bad? [/QUOTE]
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