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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Paraxis" data-source="post: 6393130" data-attributes="member: 13009">For my games it works something like this.Step 1: Compare passive perception to a predetermined DC to find a clue that they should look more closely at an area.  If the passive perception is high enough give them the clue.Step 2: If working on the clue given in step 1, or on their own they decide to investigate the area the players tell me where they are looking and make an investigation roll or perception roll whichever they want to use.  If that roll is successful then they find the hidden object, clue, secret door.Step 3: Normally they investigate the door for traps before opening.That is pretty much it. They don't describe knocking on the walls, lifting rugs, or holding torches up to see if a draft is present unless they want to, some of my players like to add that sort of thing into describing the success of a roll some don't and I will add the flavor instead of them.</blockquote>