Spoilers The Boys (are back in town) s5 [spoilers]

[payn]

I’m really glad you weren’t writing the show!

There is no accounting for taste!

 

[sevenbastard]

It was fine I guess.

Wrapped up most things, but what happened with Soldier Boy? I assume they found him frozen and let him out? Left him frozen?

Feel like Homelander power level is very inconsistent. He should be able to mop the floor with Butcher. Especially if he can fly at the speed of A Train.

 

[Clint_L]

I was expecting Homelander to live, but in shame as a regular dude. That's what I was hoping for anyway. A death seems too easy.

That would have been a way cooler ending. Basically Goodfellas, but for supers. This wasn't that kind of show, though, with that kind of audience. I gave up about halfway through season 3 because, well, I got the jokes, and they weren't getting any fresher. But I've maintained enough interest to keep up with the plot through this thread, and that's been enough. At the end of the day, this was a show that had things to say, but was ultimately more interested in dick jokes. That's fine. It just got old for me.

 

[Stalker0]

Wrapped up most things, but what happened with Soldier Boy? I assume they found him frozen and let him out? Left him frozen?

No idea, saving that for a possible spin offs I assume. If the vought rising show does well they may bring solider boy back in another spinoff

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Did they? Honestly, Deep stop being interesting by end of season 1. The character was basically a caricature joke they beat to hell and back. Then, finally they just dispatch him after all this time... I felt just like Homelander with not enough respect to even care about his dying.

I think that's true but also they kept giving him just enough characterization and apparent growth that he was still sorta-viable as a character until this season. This season, where he was just continually more of a dick and more humiliated it felt very like, okay, why is he in this show so much?

Could have spent more of that time with Daveed Diggs as Oh Father, who just stealing scenes he was so good!

Speaking of Homelander, what a let down. They built up a powder keg just to make some wimpy dick jokes and a quick dispatch. I mean, yes im aware that The Boys is a dick and fart joke vehicle, but cmon. They built up this egomanic pyscho and just poof.

Yeah I felt like the last confrontation/fight was kind of mediocre, I think what would have helped it is if maybe Kimiko got a partial blast off at the start (which we've seen happen with Soldier Boy), weakening everyone but not fully depowering them so the fight could be a bit more brutal and less about "Don't let him run away", before finally, bruised and bloodied, everyone is struggling together and Kimiko gets a fully-charged blast off and then we could have a more earned feeling ending. I would also have changed Homelander's like, behaviour a bit - sure, humiliate him when his powers fail and he's clueless about real fighting but we know he's been through insanely horrific pain (a major plot point earlier) and his brain is wired full of insanity, spite and ego, so I don't buy that he'd beg and plead in that way, I dunno if it's from the comics, but it felt like something from the comics that should have been updated because this show in general is a lot better than the comics I have seen, like, a lot. Could still have the crowbar finish as a tribute to the comics of course.

I also think Homelander's messianic speech could have been better and somehow it was weird that he was sitting down to give it, that's not his energy. Slightly odd to me because Kripke has a history doing really well with that kind of thing (c.f. Supernatural). Starr gave it a good try and he's an actor who really uses every part of the face (a good thing), but the writing wasn't quite there.

It would have been really interesting if they had the Homelander and Deep falling out early in the final season. Homelander is defeated, loses his powers, and has to be saved by The Deep! The one character he loathes more than anyone is the only person nice to him. Folks see him on the street they spit on him, insult him, but Deep never leaves his side. That would have been fun.

That's not very... The Boys, though, is it? That's like something from a very different genre and vibe.

Overall I felt like the S5 was not as strong as S4, but it was solid, overall not an actual let-down. Sure that one fight was, but all epilogue-type stuff was solid, including the Hughie-Butcher confrontation. I almost expected it to be revealed that the slightly strange and fancy-looking trigger Butcher was holding wasn't actually hooked up to anything, and that the vial was still in a pocket, and that Butcher was essentially doing suicide by cop (as it were), but I guess not and this probably works better (though I can't imagine the government didn't take a sample of the virus for future potential use). I appreciate the weird happy-but-forboding deal with Starlight being pregnant too.

Lot of good performances this season, too.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

No idea, saying that for a possible spin offs I assume. If the vought rising show does well they may bring solider boy back in another spinoff

Yeah I think that being unrevealed was not an accident. Also they pretty carefully ensured Soldier Boy was like, disreputable, not a good guy, problematic, etc. but not "beyond the pale" like Homelander or The Deep which would allow for a post-The Boys show with him as an anti-hero potentially.

 

[payn]

It was fine I guess.

Wrapped up most things, but what happened with Soldier Boy? I assume they found him frozen and let him out? Left him frozen?

I heard they are doing a sort of prequel series with Soldier Boys old crew, With The Boys not wiping out supes, they leave the door open to reviving the series in the future. Which could or could not include Solider Boy.

Feel like Homelander power level is very inconsistent. He should be able to mop the floor with Butcher. Especially if he can fly at the speed of A Train.

Im guessing thats an effects cost thing. Pretty hard to consistently show that level of ability. Which is why 9/10 Homelander kills are like baby seal clubbings.

 

[Stalker0]

I almost expected it to be revealed that the slightly strange and fancy-looking trigger Butcher was holding wasn't actually hooked up to anything, and that the vial was still in a pocket, and that Butcher was essentially doing suicide by cop (as it were), but I guess not and this probably works better

I do think there is a part of that still. Like when butcher places the trigger on the table it’s basically begging hughie to go for it. I do think a part of butcher wanted to be stop.

 

[Morrus]

It was a decent finale.

Deep's ending was a bit too signposted as soon as they conveniently crashed down on that beach. 5 minutes of waiting for her to push him in.

The final fight was fine. The only issue I have really is the whole depowering plot suddenly appearing in the last couple of episodes. It was a bit of a last minute deus ex machina solution to the Homelander problem, unless I missed/forgot a bunch of earlier stuff (which is entirely possible). It seemed really sudden to me.

Looking forward to Vought Rising (even if it's a prequel...) though I can't imagine it having a villain as captivating as Homelander has been over the last few years.

 

[payn]

Could have spent more of that time with Daveed Diggs as Oh Father, who just stealing scenes he was so good!

Definitely.

I also think Homelander's messianic speech could have been better and somehow it was weird that he was sitting down to give it, that's not his energy. Slightly odd to me because Kripke has a history doing really well with that kind of thing (c.f. Supernatural). Starr gave it a good try and he's an actor who really uses every part of the face (a good thing), but the writing wasn't quite there.

Yeah, I felt like the speech turn was to make the audience (In the Boys world, watching the live feed) turn against Homelander. I think it would have been more interesting for him to give this sermon like speech and then folks struggle watching Homelander fight the Boys live on TV. Sort of like the people finally get to see what we the audience of the show have seen for seasons now, Homelander is certifiably a terrible man worthy of being taken out at any cost.

That's not very... The Boys, though, is it? That's like something from a very different genre and vibe.

I dont really know what The Boys is besides gruesome deaths and dick jokes. There is some semblance of a good story in the background, but it never seems to fully materialize.

Lot of good performances this season, too.

Valorie Curry was great as firecracker and I think her send off episode was the best of the season. Im sure thats gonna get some side-eye from fans because I clearly dont get the true spirit of The Boys it would seem.