Spoilers The Boys (are back in town) s5 [spoilers]

[Zardnaar]

Trying, as I may, to understand your leads here. I do think the show got pretty bad as early as season 2, but I think the final season was actually about as good as The Boys gets. So, I wouldn't agree it was a slow descent into pure awful finale that GoT was.

Ba it was more lije season 5 and 6 GoT with a rushed finish.

 

[Stalker0]

Trying, as I may, to understand your leads here. I do think the show got pretty bad as early as season 2, but I think the final season was actually about as good as The Boys gets. So, I wouldn't agree it was a slow descent into pure awful finale that GoT was.

Again, its no where near as bad as GOT season 8, not even close.

But this season definately had its problems. I would say the biggest thing is how "unfocused" it felt. It felt like we were bumbling from one plotline to the next. The Gen V kids were also very shoehorned in, its possible they had intended a bigger thing with them but then the cancellation through that off the wagon....in a season where you are trying to wrap up the main plotlines for all of your core cast, bringing in several characters from your spinoffs and not even do anything meaningful with them is just a waste of time.

The season was just pretty slow unfocused, kind of meandering until we got to the end.

 

[el-remmen]

The ending of this show is why I try not to overvalue the endings of narratives because 9 times out of 10 they are disappointing. Just like real life!

It's why I still like LOST and will eventually rewatch GoT.

 

[jian]

Yeah this is right way to do it.

And yes, bloody Superman's bloody super-speed is so bloody stupid, and honestly if they ever rebooted him, they should get rid of it or really outline the limits to it very clearly, because him also basically being a speedster just breaks a whole lot of his own plots. Like, I don't mind how fast he can fly, but but he shouldn't be a speedster.

The other issue I noticed increasingly with S4 and S5 of The Boys is that, in general, more and more supers seemed to be "generically strong and tough". That's not uncommmon as a superhero genre thing. It's very explicit and detailed in White Wolf's Aberrant, for example, all Aberrants are strong and tough. In Marvel, at least some of the time, all mutants are much stronger and tougher than normal humans (to the point where it was a rule in Marvel FASERIP IIRC - if not that one of the Marvel TTRPGs). It makes sense.

But in the early seasons of The Boys, it doesn't really seem to be the case, it's more like some supers are, but some are just as flimsy as normal people. It's quite specific. But by S5, basically most supers seem to be able to tank handgun bullets, get into super-fisticuffs with obviously-strong supers and so on. I dunno if this was always the intention and it was just not played up much before, but it kind of stuck out for me.

I think the main reason Clark has super speed is so that he can get changed in a phone booth without it being awkward. But we don’t have phone booths any more so maybe that will pass.

(It’s also great for gaslighting Lois and superdickery in general, but hopefully we’re past that too.)

And yes, mutants had +1CS to Endurance in MSH because Chris Claremont had used the phrase “thank God for my mutant metabolism or else that poison might have got me” 400+ times in X-men comics at that point. In the same way that repeated uses of “adamantium, the strongest metal known to man, making my bones unbreakable and my claws sharp enough to cut through anything” and “focused totality of my psychic powers” really did wonders for those characters’ stats.

(MSH should really have rules for getting improvement Karma every time you wax lyrical about your powers, is what I’m saying.)

 

[Morrus]

I think the main reason Clark has super speed is so that he can get changed in a phone booth without it being awkward. But we don’t have phone booths any more so maybe that will pass.

We still have revolving doors!

 

[jian]

We still have revolving doors!

Have you tried to use a revolving door after Superman has used it? Nearly took my hand off. The man’s a menace.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

We still have revolving doors!

This is true, but all the revolving doors I know are electric now, and have like, a precisely mediated speed (both the offices I work in have them, for example), which just wouldn't really work out for the quick change! Poor Clark just stripping off his suit as the door goes around at approximately 2mph and everybody stares!

 

[jian]

This is true, but all the revolving doors I know are electric now, and have like, a precisely mediated speed (both the offices I work in have them, for example), which just wouldn't really work out for the quick change! Poor Clark just stripping off his suit as the door goes around at approximately 2mph and everybody stares!

Where does he put that cape when he’s in civvies, is what I want to know.

“Has anyone else noticed that Clark’s butt is really lumpy and huge?”

“Yes, Jimmy, it’s what first attracted me to him.”

“Lois!”

“Anyway, there’s no way Clark is Superman, they have completely different butts.”

 

[payn]

This is true, but all the revolving doors I know are electric now, and have like, a precisely mediated speed (both the offices I work in have them, for example), which just wouldn't really work out for the quick change! Poor Clark just stripping off his suit as the door goes around at approximately 2mph and everybody stares!

Not around here, the one in my office building is dangerous AF. Once it gets going good luck.

 

[Stalker0]

I think the number 1 issue I've seen online about the finale is how weak Homelander was at the end.

To which I say....I 100% agree, but that wasn't a finale problem. We have seen that kind of thing for the last couple of seasons especially, Superhero power scaling just being all over the place.

So yes its terrible lazy writing, but I think that's already been firmly established in the show that homelander's powers just wake and wane like the sun, and so Butcher just caught him at a good time and got the job done.