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<blockquote data-quote="Engilbrand" data-source="post: 4008829" data-attributes="member: 44184">Broken. Absolutely broken. Don't ever roll. That's just crazy...Nonsense.I love rolling ability scores. Point buy makes things too similar to me. I've played in plenty of games where the characters average a 15 or 16 instead of whatever else it would be. It's not as crazy as people think. Seriously. It's a couple of extra points which are very quickly outstripped by everything else going on. Trust me. I've run characters through adventures. Without buffing up the monsters, I've still be able to kill or almost kill quite a few heroes with 17s and 18s in their stats. You might want to buff your monsters and NPCs a little, but it's not going to be the same as tacking on a LA to a character. And the double thing? That's just crazy. While the point buy values might be double, the actual stats and abilities aren't double.Stats for a 1st level WizardStat&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 25 point buy&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 50 point buyStr&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dex&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Con&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Int&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Wis&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cha&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Stats for a 1st level PaladinStat&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 25 point buy&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 50 point buyStr&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dex&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Con&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Int&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Wis&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cha&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe I have a different way of looking at things, but I just don't see that 50 point column as twice the power as the 25 point column. This doesn't take into account anything. Race, feats and items can still change everything. Is there a difference in power? Absolutely. I wouldn't recommend these two characters playing in the same game. But a team of 50 point people can play through the game normally. If you need to give monsters more hitpoints instead of just half, then give them more. Figure out the maximum number and put it in between. Throw in an extra orc or give a bad guy a class level. That's all that really needs to be done for &quot;balance&quot; reasons.Plus, if they already have decent stats, you might find them a little more likely to look at interesting magic items instead of just saying, &quot;How much for my next +2?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Engilbrand, post: 4008829, member: 44184"] Broken. Absolutely broken. Don't ever roll. That's just crazy... Nonsense. I love rolling ability scores. Point buy makes things too similar to me. I've played in plenty of games where the characters average a 15 or 16 instead of whatever else it would be. It's not as crazy as people think. Seriously. It's a couple of extra points which are very quickly outstripped by everything else going on. Trust me. I've run characters through adventures. Without buffing up the monsters, I've still be able to kill or almost kill quite a few heroes with 17s and 18s in their stats. You might want to buff your monsters and NPCs a little, but it's not going to be the same as tacking on a LA to a character. And the double thing? That's just crazy. While the point buy values might be double, the actual stats and abilities aren't double. Stats for a 1st level Wizard Stat 25 point buy 50 point buy Str 8 10 Dex 13 16 Con 14 18 Int 16 18 Wis 10 12 Cha 10 10 Stats for a 1st level Paladin Stat 25 point buy 50 point buy Str 14 18 Dex 8 8 Con 15 18 Int 8 10 Wis 14 14 Cha 14 16 Maybe I have a different way of looking at things, but I just don't see that 50 point column as twice the power as the 25 point column. This doesn't take into account anything. Race, feats and items can still change everything. Is there a difference in power? Absolutely. I wouldn't recommend these two characters playing in the same game. But a team of 50 point people can play through the game normally. If you need to give monsters more hitpoints instead of just half, then give them more. Figure out the maximum number and put it in between. Throw in an extra orc or give a bad guy a class level. That's all that really needs to be done for "balance" reasons. Plus, if they already have decent stats, you might find them a little more likely to look at interesting magic items instead of just saying, "How much for my next +2?" [/QUOTE]

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