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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1461151" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>Why does he need to get out of the cage at all? He can blast away with spells all day (via items to help cast them, or his own personal list of feats may allow him to get around it). It is hard to melee him while he is in there after all.</p><p></p><p>Even failing that, if he manages to kill one or two of them, and make them use up all of their higher level spells before being killed, and that is when they 'are' prepared, then his CR is incredibly out of whack <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Plus, with such a short range for the cage, and this guys incredible movement, he can move 500' and still cast a spell!</p><p>A couple of greater dispels cast by him, or a single disjunction, and then his breath weapon and no more party.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In the end it seems that if the party is very prepared, gets the drop on him, and then wins initiative then they will have a chance at level 18 (maybe). If not, they are going to be slaughtered without being able to put up a huge amount of fight. Doesnt sound like CR 18 to me, sounds like a min of CR 22.</p><p></p><p>oohh.. just thought of something, if he does drop down to melee the people then he might be too close to cage, and he could get an enormous amount of attacks in a round (say, a specialy made spell that acts just like righteous might and then empowered/maximised tensors on himself..) that could be just viscious <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I like this guy, he is funny.</p><p></p><p></p><p>oh, and about the, 'whenever he uses a silenced spell he is giving up a better option' that is part of the reason why silence as written is way overpowered <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> 2nd level spell, nearly automatic counterspell, stops casters dead unless they give up a ton of options, easy to apply, no save nor sr.. hmm.. But at least this dragon has massive wealth, he can have a few metamagic rods on him somewhere. Spell turning might also be a good option. Does dimensional anchor stop blinking?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1461151, member: 5777"] Why does he need to get out of the cage at all? He can blast away with spells all day (via items to help cast them, or his own personal list of feats may allow him to get around it). It is hard to melee him while he is in there after all. Even failing that, if he manages to kill one or two of them, and make them use up all of their higher level spells before being killed, and that is when they 'are' prepared, then his CR is incredibly out of whack ;) Plus, with such a short range for the cage, and this guys incredible movement, he can move 500' and still cast a spell! A couple of greater dispels cast by him, or a single disjunction, and then his breath weapon and no more party. In the end it seems that if the party is very prepared, gets the drop on him, and then wins initiative then they will have a chance at level 18 (maybe). If not, they are going to be slaughtered without being able to put up a huge amount of fight. Doesnt sound like CR 18 to me, sounds like a min of CR 22. oohh.. just thought of something, if he does drop down to melee the people then he might be too close to cage, and he could get an enormous amount of attacks in a round (say, a specialy made spell that acts just like righteous might and then empowered/maximised tensors on himself..) that could be just viscious ;) I like this guy, he is funny. oh, and about the, 'whenever he uses a silenced spell he is giving up a better option' that is part of the reason why silence as written is way overpowered ;) 2nd level spell, nearly automatic counterspell, stops casters dead unless they give up a ton of options, easy to apply, no save nor sr.. hmm.. But at least this dragon has massive wealth, he can have a few metamagic rods on him somewhere. Spell turning might also be a good option. Does dimensional anchor stop blinking? [/QUOTE]
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