Trailer The Odyssey full trailer

Morrus

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A full trailer for Nolan's The Odyssey! We see monsters! It's definitely clear that they're fully leaning into the fantasy elements, which I'm glad to see.

I saw Argos (Odysseus' dog), hints of Scylla and Charybdis (the two sea monsters), and the Sirens (we don't see them directly though). We also see Laestrygonians (giants), and the Cyclops. As a Nolan film, it's all practical effects (with CG touch-ups).

I've heard some criticism that the American accents are a bit jarring--especially when English actors like Pattinson and Holland are affecting American accents to play Greek characters. I've also seen some folks who don't like the use of language like "dad" as feeling too modern. Not sure that bothers me particularly though.

Anyway. I am SO looking forward to this.

 

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It looks like it has some good ideas and is going to be more in-depth on the actual Odyssey itself than most takes, but I must admit to personally being rather vexed by two issues.

1) Casting - this is a "me" issue, I get it, but I am not hugely enthused by a lot of these casting choices, and particularly Tom Holland as Telemachus, who it's important seem well, young. I guess twink death catches up with us all eventually, no matter how boyish, and it caught up with ol' Tom. But maybe that'll all be fine. At least Nolan can very reliably get good performances out of people, unlike a lot of modern "big money" directors! Some of those performances might be eccentric (c.f. Bane) but at least they'll be something!

2) Costumes, particularly armour - I mean, what?! Okay, I don't need to have them authentic bronze age armour or clothes or makeup. That's not important (though it would look fantastic, as Total War: Troy illustrates). You could just have everyone in classical Greek armour, or really stylize things like other Trojan War-centric adaptations have. That's fine. But this is just weird and ugly and oddly cheap-looking. The Greeks seem to be largely dressed in very dark leather, which looks both modern and as noted, weirdly cheap and unfinished, honestly like something from Xena if Xena was given an "edgy remake" by Netflix in 2016 but remained equally low-budget. And the only other armour we get a really good look at is plastic-y looking steel-coloured plate? Like what? I mean, why not just at least colour it bronze? Because again, it looks awful, cheap and weird. It's not evocative or cool, it just looks like they didn't finish the costumes. We see that on 8ft tall guys who I guess maybe are the usually-edited-out Laestrygonians, who in the original story are primitive man-eating giants but different to the primitive man eating giants who are the cylopses. As the latter are a lot more interesting and defeated in a more iconic and interesting way, the former tend to get cut. I don't mind changing them from primitive to advanced, or from giants to just "really tall guys" (even though the main cyclops is still an actual giant), those kind of make sense, but why steel plate? And why have it look awful?

I was wondering with early trailers if the armour stuff was all going to be "fixed in post", because that's happened with a lot of superhero movies, including Nolan's own Batmans, where some early trailers had armour/constumes that looked pretty dodgy, but in the real movie they looked fine. However, given they've looked the same for a pretty long time now I'm kind of concerned that maybe Nolan somehow thinks that looks fine? There's still time, albeit just barely given the mid-July release date. We've seen trailers for Marvel movies with bad/unfinished-looking stuff be finished in time for release 2 months later (I think one time though they didn't finish SFX for cinema release, but did for Disney+ lol, but that was mid-pandemic). Weirdly the one thing that gives me some hope is how bad the SFX are on chopping the head off the statue. That's amatuerishly bad, and I don't buy that Nolan would let that in to a final film, so maybe these images are from like, eight months ago or something in terms of finished-ness?

So I'm keen to see what he does with it, I just worry particularly about the costumes. If they look as bad as they do here, I'm not going be able to stay immersed because my brain will continually be going "What the heck?!" (and it was fine with stuff like the Brad Pitt Troy, which is very stylized).
 

I've heard some criticism that the American accents are a bit jarring--especially when English actors like Pattinson and Holland are affecting American accents to play Greek characters. I've also seen some folks who don't like the use of language like "dad" as feeling too modern. Not sure that bothers me particularly though.
The Last Duel, which also starred Matt Damon, was very jarring because it was a French story in English with American actors. Making films like this can be on a razor's edge. I think as @Ruin Explorer mentions, some of these items are just going to bug viewers. If the film is executed well, and the story carries forward, you can kind of forget them. Though if the execution isnt great, then the small bits become all the more annoying and apparent. YMMV
 


The Last Duel, which also starred Matt Damon, was very jarring because it was a French story in English with American actors.
I think the criticism isn’t actors using their own accents. I think there should be a lot more actors allowed to use their own accents. It’s British actors putting on American accents to play Greeks. It’s a conscious choice to sound American, because that’s not their natural accent.
 


This looks exciting. I don't mind anything that's not 100 or even 90% historically accurate this isn't a documentary. If choices are made for the sake of the story telling, then as long as the storytelling is good, i'm okay with it.

I'm not gonna be one of those people who go "well you know they should be wearing or saying this..."
 

I think the criticism isn’t actors using their own accents. I think there should be a lot more actors allowed to use their own accents. It’s British actors putting on American accents to play Greeks. It’s a conscious choice to sound American, because that’s not their natural accent.
I think mixing accents is ok if the characters are from different places. It would strike me as odd if Odysseus and Telemachus had different accents.
 


Robert Pattinson looks great in the trailer and I'm excited to see his role. Not much else jumps out at me.

More than historical accuracy, I am interested in thematic accuracy, and I'm not sure Nolan will bring that to the table. I think it is challenging because the society is so different from ours, but that is much of the fun of reading these stories. But I get that many concessions have to be made for it to be a blockbuster. Dune had similar issues.

We don't see much of Matt Damon, and what we do see doesn't give much. I quite liked Sean Bean's Odysseus in Troy (2004) and I don't see the same levity, the same trickster aspect, so far. But there is not much material yet.
 

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