Trailer The Odyssey full trailer

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I really want to know because I do not know,what exactly do you think should have happened @AnotherGuy ?

I don't know if hiring actual consultants would have been good or bad or even listened to. Do you? Would it make you feel better? I wouldn't care one or the other.

 

[AnotherGuy]

If self-declared purists desired a traditional version of The Odyssey, it'd feature an actor and perhaps a singer or two, and be recorded on stage.

It'd take the better part of a day, for a single showing.

And would be seen by few people, and make little to no profit.

I didn't know this is what they were asking for online. My apologies.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I really want to know because I do not know,what exactly do you think should have happened @AnotherGuy ?

It all depends on Nolan's approach to the material (see earlier post). Comedic, Musical, Stylistic, Lore Accurate, Alternate, Modern etc.

If lore accurate was the goal then a stricter look at the casting, technology, clothing, language etc would have happened. Now do I think purists are demanding for a full-day stage orator/singer speaking in poem like a previous poster implied? Likely not.

Backlash on a project with fandom on the material is inevitable.

I haven't followed Nolan's interviews to see what specifically he has said about the project or not said.
Personally I just hope it's not a hot mess like his 3rd Batman movie. He did offer high praise to Gladiator 2 which some people did not like. I have not seen Gladiator 2.

 

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Now do I think purists are demanding for a full-day stage orator/singer speaking in poem like a previous poster implied? Likely not.

I think the implication was that the self-declared purists are not actually purists. Most of the people complaining have not a clue about the Odysee. They complain about the armor, not realizing that the correct historical armor would not look as badass as they think, but clunky and goofy. They complain about the use of "Dad" in the trailer, but not about them speaking English dialogue instead of old-greek verse. The racist ones complain about a black Helen, but not about the fact that all the Greek heroes are played by pale Brits/Americans with most of them look not even close to a Greek/Mediterrenan type.

In general I think this is completely silly. The Odysee is a mythology, a orally told stories in countless of variations, Homer just wrote down his own variation and thats it. IMO you can do whatever you want with it. Homer himself did a lot of historical inaccuracies and mixed in cultural norms and societies of his own era - the Iron Age, hundreds of years later.

Its quite similar to fairy tales from Germanic/Slawic countries - but curiously nobody complains that Snowwhite or Cinderella are not "historically accurate" when another adaptation releases. Because everybody knows it would be silly. But for some reason its ok for the Odyssey, although historical accuracy is out of the window if we talk about basically the bronze age equivalent of a fairy tale full of gods and monsters. Its nonsense debate in my eyes. I hope it dies down when the movies releases and we can talk about the actual movie and its contents and not the stupid armor.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I know this is the internet, but let us examine these earnest options you have provided.

They complain about the armor, not realizing that the correct historical armor would not look as badass as they think, but clunky and goofy.

So the only options are badass and clunky/goofy.

They complain about the use of "Dad" in the trailer, but not about them speaking English dialogue instead of old-greek verse.

So it is either Dad or Old-Greek.

The racist ones complain about a black Helen, but not about the fact that all the Greek heroes are played by pale Brits/Americans with most of them look not even close to a Greek/Mediterrenan type.

So the only valid choices are black Helen or Greek/Mediterranean types.

Between the purists and persons who present the ever-charitable binary options, like the above, you can see why daylight is elusive.
My post to @Piperken alluded to this nonsense.

 

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It all depends on Nolan's approach to the material (see earlier post). Comedic, Musical, Stylistic, Lore Accurate, Alternate, Modern etc.

If lore accurate was the goal then a stricter look at the casting, technology, clothing, language etc would have happened. Now do I think purists are demanding for a full-day stage orator/singer speaking in poem like a previous poster implied? Likely not.

Backlash on a project with fandom on the material is inevitable.

I haven't followed Nolan's interviews to see what specifically he has said about the project or not said.
Personally I just hope it's not a hot mess like his 3rd Batman movie. He did offer high praise to Gladiator 2 which some people did not like. I have not seen Gladiator 2.

holy non-answer answer batman

I'm sure that's an answer to some one's question but not the one i asked so let me try again: What would YOU yourself have him do? Not what you think others want but you the person responding want. Give me a "I would want/or i want" type of answer.

 

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I know this is the internet, but let us examine these earnest options you have provided.

This is indeed the internet, because I did not provide any option at all besides "you can do whatever you want with the mythology" . I hope that failure in comprehension was just an error and not on purpose to made a weird point out of it. Thanks for confirming my statement that this debate is non-sensical.

On another a note: I wrote that Homer was already building historical inaccuracies in its written version of the saga. Now I found a statement that Nolan does his inaccuracies on purpose, because he sees his movie as a continuation of that idea. This already proves to me that he wants more than just do a "Gladiator"-like flick and gives me hope for the movie. He really seems to have done a lot of reseach into the mythology and wants to explore it thoroughly.

I really hope that this means, he will play with the idea that the whole mythology is a refraction through centuries of oral tradition of the Bronze Age collapse. It seems right up into his alley of the broad topic/theme of "time and storytelling" that seem to influence his complete work.

edit: In this article on ... Yahoo Nolan is quoted as follows:

Nolan also explained many of his other choices by comparing it to the way Homer told the story of The Odyssey. For Nolan, the way Homer told the story also included depictions of how they were living in current age Greece, even though the events of The Odyssey would’ve taken place hundreds of years prior. To the director, this is just continuing the tradition of using somewhat different ideas to complete a story.

“The oldest depictions of Homeric characters tend to be depicted in the manner of people living in Homer’s time,” he says. “So there’s a pretty strong case there for portraying things that way because that’s the way the first audience received the story.”

 

[Nikosandros]

Are you asking for an all-Greek/Turkish cast after all?

Why would Turkish actors be somehow more "accurate"*? Ancient Anatolians have nothing to do with Turks.

* Assuming one cared about such a thing, which I do not, to be clear.

 

[BookTenTiger]

Respect of the Greek culture.

How do you think the movie is being disrespectful to Greek culture?

This is indeed the internet, because I did not provide any option at all besides "you can do whatever you want with the mythology" . I hope that failure in comprehension was just an error and not on purpose to made a weird point out of it. Thanks for confirming my statement that this debate is non-sensical.

On another a note: I wrote that Homer was already building historical inaccuracies in its written version of the saga. Now I found a statement that Nolan does his inaccuracies on purpose, because he sees his movie as a continuation of that idea. This already proves to me that he wants more than just do a "Gladiator"-like flick and gives me hope for the movie. He really seems to have done a lot of reseach into the mythology and wants to explore it thoroughly.

I really hope that this means, he will play with the idea that the whole mythology is a refraction through centuries of oral tradition of the Bronze Age collapse. It seems right up into his alley of the broad topic/theme of "time and storytelling" that seem to influence his complete work.

edit: In this article on ... Yahoo Nolan is quoted as follows:

I took a great class on Greek Mythology in college and at the end the professor showed us Disney's Hercules and asked us how accurate we thought it was. Her argument was that it was absolutely accurate to Greek Mythology because it followed the tradition of storytellers updating the mythology to the cultural norms of their time. It really opened my eyes to what it means to be true to the original intention of Mythology.

 

[AnotherGuy]

This is indeed the internet, because I did not provide any option at all besides "you can do whatever you want with the mythology" . I hope that failure in comprehension was just an error and not on purpose to made a weird point out of it. Thanks for confirming my statement that this debate is non-sensical.

Yes you did, but that did not stop you from representing their argument as nonsensical with your binary depiction. The rest of your post I can only respond to later - time necessity.