Trailer The Odyssey full trailer

[Mannahnin]

Yes you did, but that did not stop you from representing their argument as nonsensical with your binary depiction. The rest of your post I can only respond to later - time necessity.

He didn't depict it as binary. You misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented what he wrote.

Extending the good faith presumption that it was simply a misunderstanding on your part, you might want to re-read and maybe ask clarification.

 

[Umbran]

Mod note:

People are getting heated over a movie that hasn't even been released yet.

I seems time to remind folks of the immortal words of Will Smith: Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

 

[BrokenTwin]

The movie looks like it will probably be fun. Will be hard to beat my current favourite rendition of The Odyssey (Epic: The Musical by Jorge Rivera-Herrans) though.

I do wish Nolan would figure out that colours exist. "Realism is brown" indeed...

 

[Piperken]

I didn't know this is what they were asking for online. My apologies.

Unnecessary!

I'm not arguing every quibble (e.g. British accents!) and criticism (e.g. inaccurate armor!) that's been made about several trailers for a film that hasn't released yet is invalid, the ones I highlighted above are what I found that've gained traction bc of who commented (i.e. Elon).

Nolan already has commented in response to these; it's silly that he had to say in public that scientists still took issue with Interstellar (acknowledged as a good film) after it was released.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I'm sure that's an answer to some one's question but not the one i asked so let me try again: What would YOU yourself have him do? Not what you think others want but you the person responding want. Give me a "I would want/or i want" type of answer.

To be as faithful as he can but make the necessary changes for the medium (and time available) as Jackson did for LotR.

Visual Design: Jackson hired iconic Tolkien illustrators John Howe and Alan Lee, ensuring Middle-earth felt exactly as readers had imagined.

 

[agrayday]

apologies, site froze up and i posted in wrong thread when it refreshed

 

[AnotherGuy]

On another a note: I wrote that Homer was already building historical inaccuracies in its written version of the saga. Now I found a statement that Nolan does his inaccuracies on purpose, because he sees his movie as a continuation of that idea. This already proves to me that he wants more than just do a "Gladiator"-like flick and gives me hope for the movie. He really seems to have done a lot of reseach into the mythology and wants to explore it thoroughly.

I really hope that this means, he will play with the idea that the whole mythology is a refraction through centuries of oral tradition of the Bronze Age collapse. It seems right up into his alley of the broad topic/theme of "time and storytelling" that seem to influence his complete work.

edit: In this article on ... Yahoo Nolan is quoted as follows:

I read the article - it was a fluff piece. The comments flame it.
I will wait for the movie. I'm avoiding all the trailers for now. I only watched the original short that was put out.
Hopefully Nolan succeeds and the skeptics are proven wrong, including me because I have no faith in Hollywood, despite it being Nolan.

 

[Mannahnin]

To be as faithful as he can but make the necessary changes for the medium (and time available) as Jackson did for LotR.

Visual Design: Jackson hired iconic Tolkien illustrators John Howe and Alan Lee, ensuring Middle-earth felt exactly as readers had imagined.

I'll always cite the visuals of LotR as done right, but ironically Jackson and the other writers made a bunch of not really needed changes to the plot and characters in those movies. Many of them clearly done for reasons of pacing and because they didn't have a lot of faith in audiences' attention spans, adding sometimes gratuitous jokes, suspenseful moments and jump scares.

Still great movies, though.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I'll always cite the visuals of LotR as done right, but ironically Jackson and the other writers made a bunch of unnecessary changes to the plot and characters in those movies. Many of them clearly done for reasons of pacing and because they didn't have a lot of faith in audiences' attention spans, adding sometimes gratuitous jokes, suspenseful moments and jump scares.

I have only superficially looked at the differences online.
Did the dialogue feel wrong to you? Or the tone, because of these gratuitous jokes?
Do you feel it was faithful to the material as it will ever be in this medium?

 

[Mannahnin]

I have only superficially looked at the differences online.
Did the dialogue feel wrong to you? Or the tone, because of these gratuitous jokes?
Do you feel it was faithful to the material as it will ever be in this medium?

Yes, some of the dialogue and tone suffered. Gimli, for example, made into comic relief worked for entertainment but distorts the character. Similarly, the addition of self-doubts to Aragorn and an impulse to resist his destiny, the manufactured melodrama of Elrond not supporting Aragorn's relationship with Arwen, and of Arwen and Aragorn giving up on each other, distorted those characters. Similar distortions were made to Sam and Frodo.

It's hard to say whether a more faithful version will ever be made. Obviously making films this big is a huge logistical challenge.

I can speak well of some changes, OTOH. The screenplay makes some excellent, tasteful edits to employ Tolkien's words in different places than they fell in the original, to good effect. For example, Gandalf's famous comforting words to Pippin in the face of Gondor's doom, about what lies after death. "A far green country, under a swift sunrise". Gorgeously poetic, and apropos for the moment and mood, but stolen from a prose description of a dream Frodo had while sleeping in the house of Tom Bombadil. In this case the writers did crib from a part which was edited out primarily for run time and pacing (Tom Bombadil and the Old Forest), and did so excellently, in a way which was consistent with Tolkien's tone and characters.