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[jian]

That is not correct. Homer did in fact use other terms besides dmos (δμῳός) to denote roles.
Wilson took offence that there was a translator or two (maybe more I do not know) because they used the term "guilty maid" as opposed to slave when the text itself speaks to their guilt. Even the original text has issue with the women that slept with the suitors whether they slept willingly or were coerced.

Yes, he used other terms, but he uses the word doulos (δοῦλος, which definitely means slave) over a hundred times to refer to various characters. I'm not sure what word you're using there - do you mean dmos (δμώς), which means "slave taken in war" and is one of the other terms used? The characters you're using there would be the genitive of dmos.

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[AnotherGuy]

Yes, he used other terms, but he uses the word doulos (δοῦλος, which definitely means slave) over a hundred times to refer to various characters. I'm not sure what word you're using there - do you mean dmos (δμώς), which means "slave taken in war" and is one of the other terms used? The characters you're using there would be the genitive of dmos.

Can you please provide a quote for me where in the original text Homer uses the word doulos? Even once?

 

[jian]

Can you please provide a quote for me where in the original text Homer uses the word doulos? Even once?

Certainly. The word is used several times to refer to Eumaeos.

The word dmos is also common, and again should be translated as slave, but often isn’t in translations before Wilson, again supporting my point.

 

[Autumnal]

YouTuber Lady of the Library has some excellent videos about the Odyssey, Nolan, and Wilson. She specifically refutes the “slave” claim, noting that Wilson uses “slave” and also all the words for specific positions.

Also, this makes me want to buy Emily Wilson's Odyssey.

You should byoi should particularly consider getting the audiobook, because her usages sound so good when spoken. (This is true of her Iliad translation, too.)

 

[Clint_L]

This movie better be good. Because now that those people have a vendetta against it, I am personally invested in its success. It kinda sucked when The Marvels was a bad movie, not for the reasons that all the online haters were on about, but still.

 

[trappedslider]

and we have a popcorn bucket

THE ODYSSEY Popcorn Bucket Is an IMAX Camera

Christopher Nolan's upcoming The Odyssey will have an IMAX-specific popcorn bucket that is a huge IMAX camera.

nerdist.com

 

[VashVet]

My main concern is how dull and washed out this film looks. I dunno, I just want some colour and vibrancy in my mythological Greek Odyssey. Gotham can be drab, Troy should not.

This is such a hallmark of Nolan’s movies. Not sure what draws him to that palette, or what it says about what he values as an artist.

 

[AnotherGuy]

Certainly. The word is used several times to refer to Eumaeos.

The word dmos is also common, and again should be translated as slave, but often isn’t in translations before Wilson, again supporting my point.

This below is what Google Ai provides, but I will over the weekend try find the text in the original regarding Eumaeos to see if the word doulos is used.

Homer does not use the Greek word "doulos"; he uses "dmos" to refer to slaves or servants.

In Homeric Greek, the term "dmos" (δμώς) is employed to describe individuals who are slaves or servants, often captured in war or under the authority of a household. This word comes from the verb "damao," meaning "to tame" or "to subdue," emphasizing the idea of someone who has been brought under control rather than the later connotations of servitude implied by "doulos". Examples in the Iliad and Odyssey include references to δμώεσσι (dat. pl.) and δμωή, indicating slaves or household servants
.The term "doulos" (δοῦλος), by contrast, appears in later Greek, including biblical texts, and carries the meaning of a bond-servant or someone bound in service, often with a moral or spiritual dimension, as in the New Testament where Paul refers to himself as a "doulos of Christ" ministryvoice.com+1. This word was not part of the Homeric lexicon and does not appear in the Iliad or Odyssey.
In summary, while both "dmos" and "doulos" refer to servitude, Homer exclusively uses "dmos", reflecting the social and martial context of his epics, whereas "doulos" emerges later in Greek literature and religious texts to convey both literal and figurative servitude.

 

[Mannahnin]

This below is what Google Ai provides, but I will over the weekend try find the text in the original regarding Eumaeos to see if the word doulos is used.

I suggest that if you're so invested in your position that you cannot credit a fellow board member (who's already told you that they studied the text in the original Greek) with speaking in good faith, but feel the NEED to use Google AI in place of actual research to argue anyway, that you're not making a good or meaningful contribution to the discussion.

 

[Clint_L]

I don’t wanna hear opinions about ancient Greek and Latin from people who don’t have at least graduate degrees in Ancient Greek and Latin.

It’s kind of like how I don’t want to hear opinions about my kidney from someone who hasn’t gone to medical school.

Edit: as that article attests, one of the great failings of the rise of the Internet is that it has empowered ignorant people to think their opinions about specialized subjects belong in the same conversation as expert opinions.