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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lela" data-source="post: 232861" data-attributes="member: 1216">First:If you need access to more monsters then you can go to the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/cc" target="_blank">Creature Catalog</a> (though I'm sure most of you already know this) or to <a href="http://mwtools.thyle.net/" target="_blank">MW Tools</a> to add a few class levels to some generic monsters (thanks go out to Lord Ben for getting me this site).Now, I admit that I was really annoyed when one of my players shouted out that they were fighting a Mantacore a little while ago.  So much so that another Mantacore suddenly appeared.  Almost killed the party.  I was happy with it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Well, anyway, for the next session I printed out a bunch of stuff from the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/cc" target="_blank">Creature Catalog</a> and started to pull things out during the session.  Which kept them guessing.Another option that someone gave me was to start substituting the stats of other MM monsters for those that you describe.  When a goblin starts breathing lightening (as blue dragon) or a nymph starts draining levels it will throw them off.  And since your still looking in the MM--which they think they know front to back--they get confuesed.  And, really, all you did was change what the monster looks like.Other Options<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Trolls healed completely by fire.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Glammered Armor.  They think their charging a Wizard.  In reality, he's just a fighting who's really good at the quarter staff.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Go to B.A.D.D.'s website.  Sure they can take down a normal dragon, but what happens when tactics get involved.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If a monster has Teleport w/o Error then USE IT.  It's amazing how few people do.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Flying creatures can drive any party nuts.  Especally at low level.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Have them be attacked by a Paladin.  If one member of the party is a Pal too, then it gets good.  Decide why they're being attacked.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You can get to the party Wizard pritty fast with the Tumble skill.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Take monsters who are meant to be Fighters and give them Wizard levels.  High HP, good Str, Natural Armor, and spells will throw a party off.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Jump around!  Jump around.  Jump around!"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Remind them that their character doesn't know that.  Usually players want to be good RPers and don't mind when you say, "But would your character know that?"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the problem persists tell them that you might just stop describing what a monster looks like.  Instead just saying how many squares it takes up.  This will really tick them off if you do it.  Just say it to make your point.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Do ah didy, didy dum, diddy-do."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Use posien.  Most players are never prepared for this.</li> </ul>Well that list went places I didn't expect it to, but I love to see players suffer.  So MAKE THEM SUFFER!!  For me of course.[Edit: Added the folowing.]I'm Interested.</blockquote>

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