Trailer The Punisher: One Last Kill | Official Trailer

[chuckdee]

I... don't even know what to respond to that. So I'll leave it to someone else, other than I think we watched different shows.

As someone directly in the demographic of those affected by the George Floyd moment, I don't think it's a different level of understanding and equating the two is all sorts of messed up

 

[timbannock]

I didn't find it gleeful. I think those disgusting elements were on purpose. We aren't supposed to be feeling "OMG, that's so awesome!" We're supposed to feel, "This guy has finally gone full-blown monster. He's an irredeemable monster, fighting irredeemable monsters." We didn't get that moment in the Netflix shows.

At least, that's my take away. I was uncomfortable with it, too. I think Blue Ruin did some of this a lot better, but I think that's the gist of this movie, too: giving oneself fully over to this sort of thing is bad for everyone.

(The pen-stabbing kill is a perfect example. There's nothing awesome about that moment, which goes on for a few beats. Compare it to Jason Bourne fighting with a pen: that's choreographed so well, and it's this big moment of "Wow! He can do cool moves with anything!" Here, it's just an utterly gross killing that they linger on the brutality and wreckage of for a moment.)

 

[soviet]

I didn't find it gleeful. I think those disgusting elements were on purpose. We aren't supposed to be feeling "OMG, that's so awesome!" We're supposed to feel, "This guy has finally gone full-blown monster. He's an irredeemable monster, fighting irredeemable monsters." We didn't get that moment in the Netflix shows.

At least, that's my take away. I was uncomfortable with it, too. I think Blue Ruin did some of this a lot better, but I think that's the gist of this movie, too: giving oneself fully over to this sort of thing is bad for everyone.

(The pen-stabbing kill is a perfect example. There's nothing awesome about that moment, which goes on for a few beats. Compare it to Jason Bourne fighting with a pen: that's choreographed so well, and it's this big moment of "Wow! He can do cool moves with anything!" Here, it's just an utterly gross killing that they linger on the brutality and wreckage of for a moment.)

Blue Ruin is fantastic. If that's what they were going for, it certainly didn't land for me. It all felt very reactionary and self-congratulatory. But, I appreciate your interesting analysis.