6E Theory Thoughts on the balance of classes across editions (past, present, future)

[ECMO3]

Sorry, but, none of that post was addressed to you.

Yes it was here are posts:

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6E Theory Post in thread 'Thoughts on the balance of classes across editions (past, present, future)'

Sep 2, 2026

In 5.5E second Wind is important for Tactical Mind and above level 5 it is important for Tactical Shift. Using it to get hit points is mostly a waste of resources.

Sure it is there and there are some rare times it is worthwhile, but usually it is a poor use of that resource .... it's like using a 5th level spell slot to cast Detect Magic as an action. You can do it, and it does something when you do, and it burns the resource, but it is not generally a good use of that resource.

Wait, what? You get tactical shift when you regain HP. Considering you only provoke Opportunity...

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6E Theory Post in thread 'Thoughts on the balance of classes across editions (past, present, future)'

Sep 3, 2026

If you want a real example I have done in combat; my last Fighter PC (with a 60 foot move due to Boon of Speed), was engaged in fighting a Lich and one of the Bosses started moving towards a door to escape, he was on the other side of the battlefield.

See, here's the thing. No I don't. I don't really want "real" examples because they are all cherry picked to "prove" a point.

Great, your extra 15 feet of movement mattered once. Ok. Now, are you using this every combat? Once a session? Once in a blue moon? Because everyone remembers that one time where that ability came up...

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So how should I answer the question you asked in a reply to me (linked above post #828) if I am not to use examples from play?

 

[Scott Christian]

I feel tactical mind, especially for a fighter, would have been better if it would have went towards saving throws.

 

[Zardnaar]

I feel tactical mind, especially for a fighter, would have been better if it would have went towards saving throws.

Seen the new indomitable?

 

[ECMO3]

I feel tactical mind, especially for a fighter, would have been better if it would have went towards saving throws.

That would be powerful as heck in combat (and at high levels redudant with Indomitable), but it would not help the other pillars.

I personally would not be a fan of this as I am not a fan of the current indomitable. Changing indomitable to the weaker 2014 version is one of the few class ability houserule changes I make in some 2024 games I DM.

 

[Scott Christian]

Seen the new indomitable?

I did, but have forgotten it. I have been so busy reading other stuff that... well, you get it.

Looks it up in book.

Nice! That is what we always thought was missing. Of course, level 9 is a distance to go, but still pretty nice. A +9 off the bat for any saving throw is incredible. Once per long rest seems fair.

 

[Johngernaut]

Seen the new indomitable?

Indomitable should just be a straight up legendary resistance and they're just making it a die roll because rolling dice is fun

 

[Zardnaar]

Indomitable should just be a straight up legendary resistance and they're just making it a die roll because rolling dice is fun

Problem there is its mid on bad saves.

Rerolls at DC15+ which happens around CR7ish iirc rerolls are still miserable.

 

[ECMO3]

Problem there is its mid on bad saves.

Rerolls at DC15+ which happens around CR7ish iirc rerolls are still miserable.

It is pretty effect in my experience since you only use it if you fail.

 

[Dessert Nomad]

10+ level champion fighters with mage slayer are a ton of fun when dealing with saving throws. You have one automatic pass, plus indominable, plus heroic inspiration for another try every round. If you can throw in magical protection (like intellect fortress or a mantle of spell resistance) even better, and of course you'll be happy if you're paired with a paladin buddy for the aura.

 

[Zardnaar]

10+ level champion fighters with mage slayer are a ton of fun when dealing with saving throws. You have one automatic pass, plus indominable, plus heroic inspiration for another try every round. If you can throw in magical protection (like intellect fortress or a mantle of spell resistance) even better, and of course you'll be happy if you're paired with a paladin buddy for the aura.

I've seen that with lucky feat iirc mixed in there. Well played it as well in a level 12 3 shot.

DM struggled to land a save or suck and it was the nastiest fighter I've seen since 2E. Think it had resilient wisdom as well.

Elf version ha elven accuracy and vex with dual wielding and vicious weapons. First one had a pole arm iirc and GWM, mage slayer, resilient wisdom maybe sentinel.

Alert feat swap initiative with Sorcerer, twin hold monster proceed to feed. Cleave and hew into 2 paralyzed giants action surge.