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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 717634" data-attributes="member: 1134">Sorry I'm right.  Fact is at high levels the only really effective tactic a fighter has is beat the crap out of them.  Virtually all the other amazing options are stat test, and while a 20th elvel peosn can expcet to outstat a 7th level person the rang eof success is way to small comapred to a simple full attack which will devaste your opponents.  I jsut hope my DMS waste actions with thigns like trip, bull rush and all the other astounding combat options a fighter has available.  It will give em a ton more chances to kick the crap out of the NPC.  And rogues and wizarda hve 1000s of more options which is why they look better tactically.  Its not smart or dumb, tis jsut available resources that are even modeately effective.Again who says he had no ranged weapons.  He jsut didn't sue them since in this situation a ranged weapon would of been worse tactics.A grapple is absurdly effective vs mages it virtually shuts them down,(no S/m spells must be pure V and it still requires a otugh concentration check) and you can proceed to do full attacks 1 round later while they are grappled.  And a full attack vs a prepared mage with things like stone skin will likely not kill him.  Hurt a lot yes, kill no.  You grapple them so they are shut down, and then you kill them.And agian who says no ranged weapons, they just would of been innefective in this situation.  The fighter was played perfectly fine, despite your 20/20 hindsigtr naysaying.</blockquote>

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