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[Ryujin]

With a perfect Scottish accent I hope.

Funny thing is that he'd lost is Scottish accent, after years in Canada, and looked like he was off a GQ magazine cover.

 

[dragoner]

I'm not sure who "we" is ...

Oakland, California; though even where I live now it is Indigenous People's Day, pretty sure all of Chicagoland is like that. Not having dealt with it for 34 years, it's odd for it to pop back up in conversation.

So like when my kids were in school:

On Indigenous Peoples’ Day, observed Monday, October 13 with a district holiday, OUSD will join communities across the country to recognize the resilience, contributions, and cultural heritage of Native peoples. First celebrated in the East Bay in 1992, the holiday serves as a meaningful alternative to Columbus Day, honoring Indigenous communities and acknowledging historical injustices.

Indigenous Peoples’ Day: Honoring the Past, Celebrating the Present

On Indigenous Peoples’ Day, observed Monday, October 13 with a district holiday, OUSD will join communities across the country to recognize the resilience, contributions, and cultural heritage of Native peoples.

www.ousd.org

 

[Whisper-Kitten]

Maybe, though they sent their highest tech weapons as well, such as Whithworth Rifles:

The Whitworth rifle was an English-made percussion cap rifled musket used in the latter half of the 19th century. A single-shot muzzleloader with excellent long-range accuracy for its era, especially when used with a telescopic sight, the Whitworth rifle was widely regarded as the world's first sniper rifle.

The Whitworth rifle saw extensive use with the Confederate sharpshooters in the American Civil War, claiming the lives of several Union generals, including Major General John Sedgwick, one of the highest-ranking Union officers killed during the Civil War, shot on 9 May 1864, at Spotsylvania. In October 2017, a surviving example of a Confederate Whitworth rifle was auctioned with a hammer price of $161,000.

The Whitworth rifle was considered to be the very best rifle of its time in terms of accuracy, when compared to other British, French, American rifles, or those produced elsewhere.

Whitworth rifle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Similar to the US giving Stinger Missiles to Afghan Mujahideen.

Private firms sold weaponry to the U.S. government as well. That‘s different then the government arming and training afghan rebels from government stockpiles. There never was a strong enough consensus in Britian to support the war, as long as the south struggled to provide more consitent results on the battlefield that is. Likely capitulation on the U.S. government would have been needed, which was unlikely as long as Republicans maintained power.

 

[Aeson]

It was, and they had many objectionable things to say as you might imagine. I was avoiding naming them as that is usually the line where 'no politics' gets enforced.

My post was for educational purposes only. It should not be taken as political speech. I've been aware of this video and others like for a few years now.

 

[dragoner]

Private firms sold weaponry to the U.S. government as well. That‘s different then the government arming and training afghan rebels from government stockpiles. There never was a strong enough consensus in Britian to support the war, as long as the south struggled to provide more consitent results on the battlefield that is. Likely capitulation on the U.S. government would have been needed, which was unlikely as long as Republicans maintained power.

I think in the beginning, the Europeans arming the South turned what would have been a rebellion able to be quickly put down by the authorities, if even that, as the South might not have been emboldened to start the war; into a catastrophic massive war that permanently altered the geopolitical landscape even up until today. Originally probably because their banks owned the slaves, and mills used the cotton. Ultimately, seeing the South's defeat written on the wall, they withdrew support. Though I would also imagine that the would have moved their troops in from Canada, and Mexico in on the North had it faltered, and the South, even if victorious, would have become another colony, or rump state, controlled from Europe.

 

[Aeson]

I don't know what it's like in other states outside of the South. Pennsylvania being the lone exception. I've been to Gettysburg. The war was fought here. There are battlefields and monuments all over. It's a point of pride. "The War Of Northern Aggression" "The South Will Rise Again" It's a black mark on our history. It probably had to happen for things to change, but it's not something to be proud of. The last time I was in Gettysburg was with a Palestinian man from Jordan. As we drove around I told him about the war and the battles that took place there. It dawned on him "You lost the war! " Being from Georgia, we did in fact lose the war. I think some around here think they're still fighting it.

 

[gnarlygninja]

I don't know what it's like in other states outside of the South. Pennsylvania being the lone exception. I've been to Gettysburg. The war was fought here. There are battlefields and monuments all over. It's a point of pride. "The War Of Northern Aggression" "The South Will Rise Again" It's a black mark on our history. It probably had to happen for things to change, but it's not something to be proud of. The last time I was in Gettysburg was with a Palestinian man from Jordan. As we drove around I told him about the war and the battles that took place there. It dawned on him "You lost the war! " Being from Georgia, we did in fact lose the war. I think some around here think they're still fighting it.

It's spread. You'll find the misnamed battle flag in pretty much every state now, and Confederate monuments in places that make no sense (thankfully a lot of these have come down in the past decade). The lost cause naughty word is very common with people of a certain age even in states that were never part of the CSA, I grew up around it in central Kentucky, where the only CSA presence was an invading army but had to listen to my dad and his cousins complain when the high school they went to stopped using a Confederate officer as a mascot.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I can't speak to that latter part (because I am a person of European descent living in the US) but people of European descent living in the US talking aabout "native Americans" as a homogenous group is definitely a result of colonialism.

I'm afraid your repeating it doesn't make more convinced, Reynard. As I said, its possible there's some racist elements in the term itself, but I'm far less convinced of just the lumping-together.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I believe I’m with @Thomas Shey on this one. Merely using the term “Native American”- at least as I’ve seen it used- is no more racist or colonialist than using “European” “African” or “Asian”. I mean, how many different cultures are you lumping together within those terms?

The reason we don’t call them just “Americans” is to distinguish their cultures & histories from those who came from those here now who came from other continents- a good thing, IMHO.

Its particularly telling when you speak to some European groups who are downright startled bending into offended when you lump them together. Consider the fact that Croats (my ancestors on one side) and the Serbs are just "Europens" (or Central Europeans or Eastern Europeans in some cases) to many people.

 

[Whisper-Kitten]

I think in the beginning, the Europeans arming the South turned what would have been a rebellion able to be quickly put down by the authorities, if even that, as the South might not have been emboldened to start the war; into a catastrophic massive war that permanently altered the geopolitical landscape even up until today. Originally probably because their banks owned the slaves, and mills used the cotton. Ultimately, seeing the South's defeat written on the wall, they withdrew support. Though I would also imagine that the would have moved their troops in from Canada, and Mexico in on the North had it faltered, and the South, even if victorious, would have become another colony, or rump state, controlled from Europe.

Early on the south had an advantage of small arms due to the workings of John Floyd. British arms only became a factor after it became obvious that the war would not end quick. The conflict was inevitable though. It had be brewing for a decade plus, and firebrands ensured that no compromise could be had.