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<blockquote data-quote="JEB" data-source="post: 8202099" data-attributes="member: 10148"><p>It is interesting that they don't mention adjusting the Hit Die in the DMG, but the DMG doesn't suggest another other way to make a halfling version of a NPC such as a commoner, other than applying the halfling ASI and traits. And the ASIs they suggest match those for PCs in the PHB.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Where are you getting the ability scores for these? I just looked, and all it says is "drow commoner" and "goblin commoner" and "kobold commoner" and "orc commoner". Seems to me they're assuming you'd follow the guidelines from the DMG, and apply the ASIs for those races to the commoner statblock. In which case they would be Dex 12, etc.</p><p></p><p>However, you do indicate something interesting, that the DMG ASIs for goblins, kobolds, and orcs are slightly different from the ones provided in Volo's:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DMG goblins are -2 Str, +2 Dex; Volo's goblins are also +2 Dex, but swap -2 Str for +1 Con.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DMG kobolds are -4 Str, +2 Dex; Volo's kobolds have -2 Str, +2 Dex.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DMG orcs are +2 Str, -2 Int; Volo's orcs are +2 Str, -2 Int, +1 Con.</li> </ul><p></p><p>However, this isn't evidence that they originally intended ASIs to reflect only PCs and not the race as a whole. It does, however, suggest that "PCs are special" might have older roots than the 2020 rethink. On the other hand, it might just suggest they rethought their default ASIs, but not the fundamental idea that ASIs are inherent to the race.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The lizardfolk commoner is an anomaly, but one that doesn't really prove either of our points...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JEB, post: 8202099, member: 10148"] It is interesting that they don't mention adjusting the Hit Die in the DMG, but the DMG doesn't suggest another other way to make a halfling version of a NPC such as a commoner, other than applying the halfling ASI and traits. And the ASIs they suggest match those for PCs in the PHB. Where are you getting the ability scores for these? I just looked, and all it says is "drow commoner" and "goblin commoner" and "kobold commoner" and "orc commoner". Seems to me they're assuming you'd follow the guidelines from the DMG, and apply the ASIs for those races to the commoner statblock. In which case they would be Dex 12, etc. However, you do indicate something interesting, that the DMG ASIs for goblins, kobolds, and orcs are slightly different from the ones provided in Volo's: [LIST] [*]DMG goblins are -2 Str, +2 Dex; Volo's goblins are also +2 Dex, but swap -2 Str for +1 Con. [*]DMG kobolds are -4 Str, +2 Dex; Volo's kobolds have -2 Str, +2 Dex. [*]DMG orcs are +2 Str, -2 Int; Volo's orcs are +2 Str, -2 Int, +1 Con. [/LIST] However, this isn't evidence that they originally intended ASIs to reflect only PCs and not the race as a whole. It does, however, suggest that "PCs are special" might have older roots than the 2020 rethink. On the other hand, it might just suggest they rethought their default ASIs, but not the fundamental idea that ASIs are inherent to the race. The lizardfolk commoner is an anomaly, but one that doesn't really prove either of our points... [/QUOTE]
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