Vampire the Masquerade's origin - is this True???

[Paul Farquhar]

This leads me to believe that the quality of an Underworld movie is directly proportional to the amount of screen time Bill Nighy has in it.

The same can be said for any movie or TV show.

 

[humble minion]

I feel like it's missing Michel Foucault, Slavoj Žižek, Machiavelli, and maybe Lord Byron.

I was looking for the quoted Sisters of Mercy lyric.

 

[BenRiggs]

According to Lisa Stevens, VAMPIRE was conceived on a car ride on the way to Gen Con 1990 with her, Mark Rein-Hagen, and Stewart Wieck all riding in the car.

According to Mark Rein-Hagen, he saw THE LOST BOYS with Jonathan Tweet, who would go on to lead design 3.0 D&D, and they both thought vampires would be a cool TTRPG theme, but they couldn't figure out the game.

Mark claims that on that ride up to Gen Con, he stopped in Gary, Indiana, and the urban squalor he saw there inspired Vampire, which he then furiously wrote notes for all weekend at Gen Con. (But he's told a few different versions of that story, and that is but the most recent and most detailed.)

And Stewart has passed, so I can't ask him about it.

 

[Some Dude]

Someone's just doing shoddy research (or is generating some of their content via AI and its hallucinations).

I've been reading Warlord, an old sword & sorcery comic series from the amazing Mike Grell. It's about an Air Force pilot who bails out over the Arctic and finds himself in the hollow earth land of Skartaris. A world of sorcery, swords and dangerous creatures. Of dinosaurs and demons. It premiered in 1976 and reminds me of the kitchen sink fantasy of T&T, which Ken St. Andre has freely admitted was inspired in part by comic books.

I Googled "Ken St. Andre Warlord Comic," or something similar, wondering if Ken had ever mentioned Warlord in any interviews or anything. Google's AI-driven search results hallucinated an amazing yet totally false scenario: Namely, that Ken wrote an RPG based on this comic, called Domain of the Warlord, and that it was published by Metagaming Concepts!

I didn't screencap it, and I haven't been able to replicate it. But I haven't wanted to see a piece of fictional media so bad since the time I imagined a psychedelic '70s Elric adaptation, helmed by Jodorowsky and starring Johnny Winter.

 

[billd91]

I Googled "Ken St. Andre Warlord Comic," or something similar, wondering if Ken had ever mentioned Warlord in any interviews or anything. Google's AI-driven search results hallucinated an amazing yet totally false scenario: Namely, that Ken wrote an RPG based on this comic, called Domain of the Warlord, and that it was published by Metagaming Concepts!

Yeah, I don't trust Google's AI summaries very much since it told me that the Sargasso Sea was landlocked.

 

[Umbran]

Yup. Lots of related stuff in the cultural pool.

Forever Knight, the TV show, had its pilot in 1989.

Hannibal King was running around in Marvel Comics starting in 1974...

 

[Mannahnin]

I was looking for the quoted Sisters of Mercy lyric.

One thing that always amused me about the first edition (at least) is how many songs they quote with almost none of them being by goth bands (only Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure, and Shriekback).

They also quote Indigo Girls, Rolling Stones, Alan Parsons Project, INXS, Tom Petty, Metallica, Motorhead, Jane Child, Heart, Living Colour, Bob Seger, Foreigner, The Who, Gordon Lightfoot, Chris DeBurgh, The Kinks, The The, Blue Oyster Cult, Rush, Dire Straits, The Police (but it's Wrapped Around Your Finger, so I'll give it a pass), and Faith No More (The Real Thing and Surprise, You're Dead!, so likewise).

So mostly mainstream and classic rock acts, with a few other alternative and a few pop goth bands. The lyric quotes do mostly match the themes pretty well.

The Storytellers Handbook they released in '92 is much the same, but has an essay from Rob Hatch in the back actually discussing (mostly) goth and other inspirational music, and the Sisters finally show up, with recommendations of Lucretia, My Reflection and Marian.

Forever Knight, the TV show, had its pilot in 1989.

Nick Knight is quoted on page 45. Grandpa from Lost Boys and Rorschach from Watchmen also get quoted.

 

[Mulciber]

So, I was reading a random article on Yahoo about Vampire Movies.

source 23 years ago...all about how Underworld was voted #1 in an area unrelated to RPGs

It focused on Underworld (the movie), which obviously is not this section (it would be the Geek talk forum instead) except than it had this interesting snippet.



I'm like...wait...what? What? Is this true. Was VtM based on a novel? I've never even heard of this novel.

If you like Vtm and its lore, check out the documentary "World of Darkness" free (easy to find) on youtube 14+ rec. , it's about 90 minute runtime.

It is really well done, but the ending is a downer because all those projects that [some in] the community hoped for did not come to pass..

An in-depth look into how the World of Darkness and Vampire: The Masquerade created a phenomenon in the 1990s - a zeitgeist that helped shape film, literature, fashion, club culture, and ultimately fans, whose lives were forever altered.

tldr; Underworld and Blade basicly ripped off Vtm, they[artist] won against Blade and consulted on Blade II, but NOT Underworld if i recall. Its detailed in the documentary.

edit/9/26,
I mixed them up and got it wrong, White Wolf won a private agreement vs Sony/Underworld(2003) and thought about suing Blade (movie 1998) , but did not.. the director Guillermo del Toro made amends and included the artist(Timothy Bradstreet) in Blade II. It came down to the movie Blade copying the style of VtM artist. Yes, both are discussed in the documentary, Bradstreet is also in it.

 

[Mannahnin]

tldr; Underworld and Blade basicly ripped off Vtm, they[artist] won against Blade and consulted on Blade II, but NOT Underworld if i recall. Its detailed in the documentary.

[artist] I'm going to guess is Timothy Bradstreet?

 

[Mulciber]

[artist] I'm going to guess is Timothy Bradstreet?

Yes, he speaks about Blade in the documentary, and the eventual resolution.