Vampire the Masquerade's origin - is this True???

[GreyLord]

If you like Vtm and its lore, check out the documentary "World of Darkness" free on youtube 14+ rec. , it's about 90 minute runtime.

It is really well done, but the ending is a downer because all those projects that [some in] the community hoped for did not come to pass..

An in-depth look into how the World of Darkness and Vampire: The Masquerade created a phenomenon in the 1990s - a zeitgeist that helped shape film, literature, fashion, club culture, and ultimately fans, whose lives were forever altered.

tldr; Underworld and Blade basicly ripped off Vtm, they[artist] won against Blade and consulted on Blade II, but NOT Underworld if i recall. Its detailed in the documentary.

Link??

Also...wouldn't Blade pre-date VtM by at least a decade??

I thought the movie was based off the comic book...so how did VtM win against Blade?

Maybe the documentary goes into it. Blade was occasionally in a comic book or two in the 70s when I was in school (not sure if he had his own comicbook, but he appeared sometimes in others). He's been around for a while.

Then again, I'm not sure when the Blade Movies came out. It all sorts of blends together, though I think it may have been long after the 80s and 90s even. So, maybe he was based on something different than just the comic books and was a mix of other things. I liked the movies when they came out.

 

[MGibster]

Also...wouldn't Blade pre-date VtM by at least a decade??

I don't find the idea that Blade (1998) may very well have been influenced by Vampire the Masquerade to be unreasonable. The vampires in the movie, structurally speaking, seem to resemble VtM vampires more than they did Marvel vampires from the 1970s. I haven't been able to locate any information about the creators of VtM successfully suing the producers of 1998's Blade. There was a lawsuit from the original creator of Blade, Marv Wolfman, and another by Wesley Snipes himself.

It is really well done, but the ending is a downer because all those projects that [some in] the community hoped for did not come to pass..

Eh, it's a rather skewed look at the subject practically serving as an advertisement for White Wolf rather than a genuine documentary. Still, it's not the worst thing to watch, I just think it's rather one side and full of itself.

 

[aramis erak]

Forever Knight, the TV show, had its pilot in 1989.

Technically, no. That was the TV movie, "Nick Knight". Starred Rick Springfield. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097969/
The pilot was a reshoot to replace Rick Springfield with Geraint Wyn Davies for a 92 release and season. Also got a number of other cast changes, including Nigel Bennet replacing Michael Nader as LaCroix.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103417/

 

[aramis erak]

I don't find the idea that Blade (1998) may very well have been influenced by Vampire the Masquerade to be unreasonable. The vampires in the movie, structurally speaking, seem to resemble VtM vampires more than they did Marvel vampires from the 1970s.

Blade himself was created by Marvel in 1973... I suspect VTM factored into the timing, but the movie's story seems to have been pure Marvel.

 

[Maxperson]

Forever Knight, the TV show, had its pilot in 1989.

Loved that show! You could see heavy Anne Rice influences in it.

 

[Reef]

Loved that show! You could see heavy Anne Rice influences in it.

We actually were given the first season on dvd last Christmas. I want to say it held up surprisingly well, but to be honest, that might just be the intoxication from such a pure hit of nostalgia talking .

But yeah, speaking of shared cultural pools, it’s hard to overstate how prevalent vampires were in the cultural zeitgeist in the mid to late 80’s. Obviously getting kicked off in the 70’s with Anne Rice. But then we got Fright Night (1 and 2), The Lost Boys, Near Dark, The Hunger, and probably a bunch more I’m forgetting. Late 80’s, I’m sure at least half the kids in high school with me would have happily signed up to be a vampire…heh.

 

[Some Dude]

Loved that show! You could see heavy Anne Rice influences in it.

We actually were given the first season on dvd last Christmas. I want to say it held up surprisingly well, but to be honest, that might just be the intoxication from such a pure hit of nostalgia talking .

But yeah, speaking of shared cultural pools, it’s hard to overstate how prevalent vampires were in the cultural zeitgeist in the mid to late 80’s. Obviously getting kicked off in the 70’s with Anne Rice. But then we got Fright Night (1 and 2), The Lost Boys, Near Dark, The Hunger, and probably a bunch more I’m forgetting. Late 80’s, I’m sure at least half the kids in high school with me would have happily signed up to be a vampire…heh.

I still remember the jarring (no spoilers) shift from seasons 1 and 2 to the third and final season. I loved the whole show, but the third season took a hard, dark turn and I loved it.

 

[Maxperson]

I still remember the jarring (no spoilers) shift from seasons 1 and 2 to the third and final season. I loved the whole show, but the third season took a hard, dark turn and I loved it.

I found it streaming either this year or last year and binged it. Enjoyed every minute.

 

[Mulciber]

Link??

Also...wouldn't Blade pre-date VtM by at least a decade??

I thought the movie was based off the comic book...so how did VtM win against Blade?

Maybe the documentary goes into it. Blade was occasionally in a comic book or two in the 70s when I was in school (not sure if he had his own comic book, but he appeared sometimes in others). He's been around for a while.

Then again, I'm not sure when the Blade Movies came out. It all sorts of blends together, though I think it may have been long after the 80s and 90s even. So, maybe he was based on something different than just the comic books and was a mix of other things. I liked the movies when they came out.

I didn't want to link mature content as I'm not sure on the rules.. I gave enough information, it's easy enough to find on youtube(USA anyway.).

I mixed them up and got it wrong, White Wolf won a private agreement vs Sony/Underworld(2003) and thought about suing Blade (movie 1998) , but did not.. the director Guillermo del Toro made amends and included the artist(Timothy Bradstreet) in Blade II. It came down to the movie Blade copying the style of VtM artist. Yes, both are discussed in the documentary, Bradstreet is also in it.

 

[MGibster]

I mixed them up and got it wrong, White Wolf won a private agreement vs Sony/Underworld(2003) and thought about suing Blade (movie 1998) , but did not.. the director Guillermo del Toro made amends and included the artist(Timothy Bradstreet) in Blade II. It came down to the movie Blade copying the style of VtM artist. Yes, both are discussed in the documentary, Bradstreet is also in it.

One of the things I love most about Vampire 5th edition is how the text tells us vampires really need to be careful and blend into the population but the photos all depict vampires who would stick out like a sore thumb pretty much everywhere but some very specific setting. No wonder the Second Inquisition is wiping them out, these vampires don't know how to dress like mortals.