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<blockquote data-quote="Arthedain" data-source="post: 2276693" data-attributes="member: 17748"><p>Hi</p><p></p><p>My first impression is that you gave your players more than thay can realistically handle.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Barghest - CR 4</p><p>Sea hag - CR 4</p><p>goblin warrior3 - CR2; 6 goblin warrior 3 = EL7 (see table 3-1, revised DMG p.50)</p><p></p><p>2 CR 4 creatures = EL 6</p><p>EL6 + EL 7 = approx EL 8</p><p></p><p>Since your party consists of three characters, instead of four, this means that an EL8 encounter is somewhere in the "overpowering" category.</p><p></p><p>In my experience, humanoids with class levels are some of the most dangerous monsters. Often the players anticipate goblins/orcs/kobolds/etc with low hp and attack bonuses. It might be wise, from a DM'ing perspective, to give some subtle clues that "these aren't your average goblins". Your party could probably have handled the barghest and the sea hag, but the goblins are (in my opinion) more dangerous to the characters because of the above mentioned.</p><p></p><p>With regards to how tough the barghest is: I haven't thought much about it, but I've only used barghests twice before. Both times the barghest appeared to be a goblin (or an oversized goblin when I used a greater barghest), and my players definately underestimated to monster because of this. The first time they meet one was quite funny, actually. The goblin was "sneaking" (think Jim Carrey as the Mask, when tip-toeing forward) towards the players camp during the night. The player who was on guard duty gave it a wack with his weapon, and thought it would die...but no such luck. Loved the expression on his face <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />. But I disgress...</p><p></p><p>Bottom line: The encounter was to tough. Learn from it, and continue providing good gaming for your players <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arthedain, post: 2276693, member: 17748"] Hi My first impression is that you gave your players more than thay can realistically handle. Barghest - CR 4 Sea hag - CR 4 goblin warrior3 - CR2; 6 goblin warrior 3 = EL7 (see table 3-1, revised DMG p.50) 2 CR 4 creatures = EL 6 EL6 + EL 7 = approx EL 8 Since your party consists of three characters, instead of four, this means that an EL8 encounter is somewhere in the "overpowering" category. In my experience, humanoids with class levels are some of the most dangerous monsters. Often the players anticipate goblins/orcs/kobolds/etc with low hp and attack bonuses. It might be wise, from a DM'ing perspective, to give some subtle clues that "these aren't your average goblins". Your party could probably have handled the barghest and the sea hag, but the goblins are (in my opinion) more dangerous to the characters because of the above mentioned. With regards to how tough the barghest is: I haven't thought much about it, but I've only used barghests twice before. Both times the barghest appeared to be a goblin (or an oversized goblin when I used a greater barghest), and my players definately underestimated to monster because of this. The first time they meet one was quite funny, actually. The goblin was "sneaking" (think Jim Carrey as the Mask, when tip-toeing forward) towards the players camp during the night. The player who was on guard duty gave it a wack with his weapon, and thought it would die...but no such luck. Loved the expression on his face :D. But I disgress... Bottom line: The encounter was to tough. Learn from it, and continue providing good gaming for your players :). [/QUOTE]
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