D&D General Weapon that cancels Exalted, Fiendish, & Undead Restoration?

[Quartz]

How would you value a weapon that cancelled the various types of Restoration - so it would cause permanent death rather than banishment for extraplanar entities? Maybe to a max of CR 20.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

on the one hand, that's thematically extremely strong. you're essentially negating a form of immortality. on the other, it doesn't have any real mechanical effect - it only comes into play when the monster would hit 0 anyway, and it's the dm who decides if they'd ever come back.

i think i wouldn't have it on its own, but i'd make it only be able to be applied to legendary magic items or artifacts (as in it'd essentially be a bonus rider on such an item). it wouldn't be worth it as it's own item of that rarity, but it also wouldn't really make sense to have a weapon have just that effect and be any lower.

EDIT: actually i guess if a monster's equipment would be banished with them on death it'd have the bonus of letting you loot them, but i don't really know how often that would really apply or if it'd even have any real value.

 

[Distracted DM]

Assuming you're talking about gold piece value, I'd be valuing it in the context of the setting- and in the world (regardless of mechanical effect) that'd be an extremely powerful weapon. I'd have put it at the high-end cost of a Very Rare weapon or a low-end Legendary, which using A5E's pricing would put it at like ... 40,000gp? Is that the only thing it does, no +1/2/3? Yeah I'd stick it at 40k then. Maybe 50k. I wonder if this is the sort of weapon that would A. be used by Outsiders (3e's term for extraplanar entities) against rival Outsiders, or B. would be even more rare because all of the Outsiders worked together to locate and destroy them

 

[W'rkncacnter]

Assuming you're talking about gold piece value, I'd be valuing it in the context of the setting- and in the world (regardless of mechanical effect) that'd be an extremely powerful weapon. I'd have put it at the high-end cost of a Very Rare weapon or a low-end Legendary, which using A5E's pricing would put it at like ... 40,000gp? Is that the only thing it does, no +1/2/3? Yeah I'd stick it at 40k then. Maybe 50k. I wonder if this is the sort of weapon that would A. be used by Outsiders (3e's term for extraplanar entities) against rival Outsiders, or B. would be even more rare because all of the Outsiders worked together to locate and destroy them

looking at the real world? A all the way. we can't get rid of nukes despite humans being able to take up other moral systems, there's literally no way the various outsider entities could team up for long enough to get something like that done when they are ontologically morally opposed to the core of their very beings.

 

[aco175]

In my game this would be some sort of unique McGuffin that is part of the campaign plot. After spending a few levels questing for it to destroy the BBEG, the PCs should not sell it. If they did though, I would sell it for 50/100k or something more like a magic item to each of them. I would likely temp them into something foolish and not save the world.

Then, I would use said weapon to attack them and not have them come back.

 

[Savage Wombat]

It strikes me as being kind of similar to a Githyanki Silver Sword, actually.

 

[Quartz]

Is that the only thing it does, no +1/2/3?

There may or may not be other properties. For instance, a weapon that purely prevents Undead Restoration might well have the Bane property too.

 

[MarkB]

Its usefulness is very campaign dependant, since permanently killing such a foe is only more useful than banishing them if their elimination is a specific goal.

As such, I wouldn't tend to place a value on it - if it's relevant to the current campaign then there's one of them in the world, and obtaining it will comprise a quest rather than a purchase, and if it isn't it won't exist.

 

[Voadam]

Something I would expect on Stormbringer or its mates.

 

[tetrasodium]

How would you value a weapon that cancelled the various types of Restoration - so it would cause permanent death rather than banishment for extraplanar entities? Maybe to a max of CR 20.

I think that such a weapon could be useful for hypothetically bypassing DR & resist in 3.x and the immunity present in earlier editions but would have near zero value in 5e. Ive tried giving similar weapons in 5e while talking up the ability to kill despite regen when players were planning to fight trolls and the reaction was outrage that it might be needed when at will cantrips available to multiple PCs at the table did that automatically with no action economy or efficacy cost.