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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thunderfoot" data-source="post: 4312414" data-attributes="member: 34175">Having played since '78' and the first edition of AD&D, I will say that 4E is 'closer' than 3.X ever was...however, it isn't 1E by a country mile.  It's a NEW edition, not a re-vamped edition.  My biggest problem has been the 'fluff' insistence of PoL (which is probably the weakest setting for ANY RPG I've ever seen.)  But the rules are easy, quick and open...light in other words, just like the old days.  Want to do something, do it, the DM will figure out what happens, not the player, the way it should be or possibly could be, as the newest edition also makes some in roads to a non-refereed game where a DM isn't needed at all.  No previous edition could get away with doing both (though they tried like mad during 2E.) You say it isn't D&D to you, neither was 3.X to me, at first, then once I was able to get into the rules and run it the way I wanted to run it, it became D&D, I have no doubt that 4E will play out the same way, We just have to get there.</blockquote>