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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 2917490" data-attributes="member: 32164"><p>This whole thread is a constant reminder to me why the D&D alignment system needs to be chucked.</p><p></p><p>The problem is that V's alignment (like anyone else's) hinges so thoroughly on what his motivation is. Which we can only guess at from his actions.</p><p></p><p>On the whole good-neutral-evil thing, it comes down to a simple question (without, in this case, a simple answer)? Is he:</p><p></p><p>- Motivated by revenge? (evil) *yes*</p><p>- Simply trying to stop people who are abusing others? (neutral) *yes*</p><p>- Willing to sacrifice to help others? (good) *yes*</p><p></p><p>So that's a great big "Huh?"</p><p></p><p>At the end of the day, I'd call him "Neutral." Yes, he commits evil acts, but he does them for complicated reason. Truth to tell, he's got an evil motive (revenge: kill those who hurt me), a neutral motive (instinct: kill the would-be killer), and a good motive (altruism: stop others from suffering as he suffered).</p><p></p><p>The only thing he does that's truly "evil" is his torture and terrorism of Evie. The rest is...well...classic Robin Hood stuff. Is rebelling against tyrrany and oppression a good act? Only if freedom is an inherently good thing. But if the oppressive authority is commiting evil acts, resisting them is a good act. Violence? As a means of last resort, it may be okay.</p><p></p><p>So, what does V know?</p><p></p><p>- The authorities are corrupt and evil.</p><p>- They can't be stopped peacefully.</p><p>- The public is scared to resist authority.</p><p>- He can make the public unafraid.</p><p></p><p>He doesn't want to hurt innocents, but sometimes feels it's "necessary." Would he have let Evie die? Maybe, so he's clearly NOT a nice guy.</p><p></p><p>Basically, he's a really complicated version of true neutral. You can make an argument for him being lawful (because he's got a code), but he also places a high premium on personal freedom (which is chaotic). So, in essence, he's like Robin Hood (who's more neutral good than chaotic good) on the lawful-neutral-chaotic scale. He's got no problem with legitimate authority as long as it doesn't go too far.</p><p></p><p>So, true neutral. With complicated motivations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 2917490, member: 32164"] This whole thread is a constant reminder to me why the D&D alignment system needs to be chucked. The problem is that V's alignment (like anyone else's) hinges so thoroughly on what his motivation is. Which we can only guess at from his actions. On the whole good-neutral-evil thing, it comes down to a simple question (without, in this case, a simple answer)? Is he: - Motivated by revenge? (evil) *yes* - Simply trying to stop people who are abusing others? (neutral) *yes* - Willing to sacrifice to help others? (good) *yes* So that's a great big "Huh?" At the end of the day, I'd call him "Neutral." Yes, he commits evil acts, but he does them for complicated reason. Truth to tell, he's got an evil motive (revenge: kill those who hurt me), a neutral motive (instinct: kill the would-be killer), and a good motive (altruism: stop others from suffering as he suffered). The only thing he does that's truly "evil" is his torture and terrorism of Evie. The rest is...well...classic Robin Hood stuff. Is rebelling against tyrrany and oppression a good act? Only if freedom is an inherently good thing. But if the oppressive authority is commiting evil acts, resisting them is a good act. Violence? As a means of last resort, it may be okay. So, what does V know? - The authorities are corrupt and evil. - They can't be stopped peacefully. - The public is scared to resist authority. - He can make the public unafraid. He doesn't want to hurt innocents, but sometimes feels it's "necessary." Would he have let Evie die? Maybe, so he's clearly NOT a nice guy. Basically, he's a really complicated version of true neutral. You can make an argument for him being lawful (because he's got a code), but he also places a high premium on personal freedom (which is chaotic). So, in essence, he's like Robin Hood (who's more neutral good than chaotic good) on the lawful-neutral-chaotic scale. He's got no problem with legitimate authority as long as it doesn't go too far. So, true neutral. With complicated motivations. [/QUOTE]
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