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What Makes A Great Man?

What makes a great man?

  • A great man is a peace maker.

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • A great man is a conqueror.

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • A great man combines elements of both.

    Votes: 10 34.5%
  • Neither or other. Please explain.

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Total voters
    29
What is it that makes a great man?

Is a great man a conqueror?

Or is a great man a peace maker?

Or does he combine elements of both when it's appropriate to do so?
 

The Shaman

Villager
Okay, serious answer.

Remember this? "Civilian in peace, soldier in war - I am the Guard!" A great man is a statesman when a statesman is needed, a warrior when a warrior is needed.

And of course this applies just as well to great women.
 

jonesy

A Wicked Kendragon
Shoes. Definitely shoes.

A snazzy pair of Edward Green shoes, and a nice jacket.

A nice Armani blazer, a snazzy pair of Edward Green shoes, and a tie to kill for.

A Mark Pendleton power tie, a nice Armani blazer, a snazzy pair of Edward Green shoes, and awesome trousers.

Versace dress pants, a Mark Pendleton power tie, a nice Armani blazer, a snazzy pair of Edward Green shoes, and super sunglasses.

Hugo Boss sunglasses, Versace dress pants, a Mark Pendleton power tie, a nice Armani blazer, a snazzy pair of Edward Green shoes, and a sleek shirt.

A classic Ralph Lauren shirt, Hugo Boss sunglasses, Versace dress pants, a Mark Pendleton power tie, a nice Armani blazer, a snazzy pair of Edward Green shoes, and a long red cape with a matching red wide brimmed hat.

Nobody expects the Spanish Style Police!
 

Thornir Alekeg

Albatross!
Meat, potatoes, eggs, butter and cheese. And pizza. Lots of pizza.

As for the real answer, I believe it take winning* and time. Winners write the history books. Over time a good man's flaws will be downplayed and their postive traits will be lauded until those who never really knew him will agree with the historians who declare him to be a great man.

*winning does not necessarily mean war or conquest, but lasting success in whatever endeavor they are involved in that allows them to leave their mark upon history.
 

Roland55

Villager
A great man, or woman for that matter, is someone who has made a great impact upon the world.

Peacemaker? Conqueror? Good? Bad? Doesn't matter.

In this, we are the victims of the historians. If your name isn't in the history books, any impact you actually had will be ... forgotten. Or perhaps subsumed in someone else's impact.
 

Corathon

Villager
A great man changes the world. It might be for the worse or for the better. Most often a mixture of both. "Great" and "good" are independent; there have been great good men and great evil men (but again, most great men are a mixture just like most ordinary men). Napoleon was a great man, but I wouldn't call him a good man. Peace makers can be great, but so can conquerors. And the above applies to women also. All IMO, of course.
 

the Jester

Legend
A great man is perceptive enough to see what must be done, wise enough to discern how to accomplish it, smart enough to realize when he must rely on others, savvy enough to change his tactics when it is required and lucky enough to win the day one way or the other.
 

Henry

Autoexreginated
"Wars not make one great."
-Yoda
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Bertrand Russell

I'd say it's a bit of both. A great man is someone who will pursue peace first and foremost, but is skilled at taking arms if peace is not an option. We could argue all day as to, "what is the drawing line?" though.
 

Dragonhelm

Knight of Solamnia
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Bertrand Russell
Sorry, Yoda trumps all. ;)

In all seriousness, I wanted to address the OP a little closer.

What is it that makes a great man?

Is a great man a conqueror?

Or is a great man a peace maker?

Or does he combine elements of both when it's appropriate to do so?
Now, I'm assuming here that you're working on some character and trying to figure out what makes him great. If that assumption is wrong, feel free to correct me.

What makes a D&D character great? The answer is a compelling story. It isn't whether he's a fighter or a lover. It's whether his story is engaging, and keeps bringing you back to the gaming table.

Perhaps his life's path covers both realms. Maybe he wanted a life of peace, but when the Torsian Horde killed his family, he vowed to fight against them until his dying day. Or, maybe he was a soldier, but divine revelation showed another path in his life, and he became a prophet of peace.

Throw in some character flaws and a path for character development, and you're on your way.

Sometimes a great man is one who has followers. Both conquerors and peacemakers have had them. Sometimes, a great man has no recognition. Maybe your character fights an unseen foe, and no one knows about his secret war.

Or maybe, what makes a character great is that he tries to do the right thing, despite insurmountable odds.

Hope that helps.
 

El Mahdi

Muad'Dib of the Anauroch
"The will to give and not receive."
"The strength to say what you believe."
"The heart to feel what others feel inside,"
"To see what they can see."


Tom Scholz, Boston

:)
 

Hand of Evil

Villager
An event, promotion, and CHARISMA - something has to happen to put you in the spotlight, that event has to be brought to people's attention and you have to be liked. If you don't have these, you just are a footnote.

What makes a great man: doing what is right and noble; at the most difficult time.
 

Aus_Snow

Villager
A great man does the best he possibly can in his life, and the situations that come up in it. That is all.

Greatness is not being "Awesome!!1!", but rather doing the best one can. Might not sound much, but it's more than many bother to do, to put it mildly.

Also, war is never kewl. It's death, pain, suffering, loss. It is never great, and only rarely necessary. And even then, infinitely sadly so.
 

Morkul

Villager
great men are creative rather than destructive. great men honor love and peace over hate and war and only fight to preserve the former. great men respect and foster nature. great men are kind to man and beast. great men follow their own moral compass, rather than the laws of men. great men teach these things to their children...
 
Now, I'm assuming here that you're working on some character and trying to figure out what makes him great. If that assumption is wrong, feel free to correct me.
Actually no. I was watching an episode of "Enterprise" that took place in the Mirror Universe. Alt-Archer was looking up the files on his counterpart and was quite dismayed that his counterpart was considered a great man so he says "A great man is not a peacemaker, a great man is a conqueror!".

So i got a little curious to see what people would say about it.



And I do actually disagree with that Yoda quote. When you actually think of it, you will find out that some people would not have been great if it weren't for the opportunity to be a hero of some sort if there had been no war. Three names come to mind, Sergeant Alvin York, Audie Murphy, and MacArthur would not have been heroes if it weren't for the world wars they were in, for example.
 
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