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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Demetrios1453" data-source="post: 8122681" data-attributes="member: 6801060">And even where obvious borders exist, they actually weren't always the "real" border. A good example of this is the Roman Empire, which had rivers and lines of walls (limes) which appear to demarcate its borders. But (1): they didn't have those everywhere, so when it comes to areas without them, such as Dacia and north Africa (for the most part for both), you'll see maps showing wildly differing areas of Roman control. And (2): even in places where they did, the actual control didn't stop at the river or wall. Everyone "knows" that Hadrian's Wall was the usual limit of Roman control in Britain, but, even during those times that the Romans didn't "officially" advance to the Antonine Wall between the Firths in Scotland, there were still Roman forward posts a good distance beyond the wall, again reaching well into southern Scotland. The same with the Rhine and Danube frontiers (and the limes Germanicus in the angle between them) - there were still Roman outposts well beyond the rivers.But this is getting a bit off subject. The nations of the Realms are of course quite a bit more technologically advanced and have more sophisticated international relationships than the Romans. And, beyond that, they have magic to assist in mapping and maintaining actual "hard" borders where nations actually neighbor each other.</blockquote>