youspoonybard
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Skip says you can Sunder multiple times in a round.
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Hypersmurf
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youspoonybard said:
And he says "Sunder does indeed get its own entry in Table 8-2: Actions in Combat in the Player’s Handbook. It needs one because unlike a regular melee attack, sunder provokes an attack of opportunity (although not if you have the Improved Sunder feat)."
Unlike Trip, Grapple, or Disarm.
... no, wait...
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jgsugden
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No. He doesn't have a good excuse. This is just sloppy work.
I don't expect perfection, but I do expect a level of competence above the average player. This is far beneath that standard.
If you feel that the Sage is doing a bad job, you *should* complain to WotC about his performance. There are hundreds of people out there that would pay greater attention to detail. If enough of us complain, maybe they'll do something about it. Eventually. He is there to add clarity, not to add more problems to the game.
I don't expect perfection, but I do expect a level of competence above the average player. This is far beneath that standard.
If you feel that the Sage is doing a bad job, you *should* complain to WotC about his performance. There are hundreds of people out there that would pay greater attention to detail. If enough of us complain, maybe they'll do something about it. Eventually. He is there to add clarity, not to add more problems to the game.
Camarath
Pale Master Tarrasque
If I had too much money and my own private island in the Carribean filled with beautiful women my grasp of the Rules would become significantly less imporant to me so I can hardly blame the guy for letting it happen to him. It's not like this is his job or anything, he is a professional playboy now, right?jgsugden said:
Thanee
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I really don't see the problem?
It's pretty obvious (to me at least), that Sunder is an attack action and therefore can be done multiple times given multiple attacks, much like Disarm or Trip.
The entry in the table is indeed somewhat weird (but it also hints, that Sunder is an attack, not a standard action).
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Thanee
It's pretty obvious (to me at least), that Sunder is an attack action and therefore can be done multiple times given multiple attacks, much like Disarm or Trip.
The entry in the table is indeed somewhat weird (but it also hints, that Sunder is an attack, not a standard action).
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Thanee
Hypersmurf
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Thanee said:
Whereas I read it to state that the Sunder action allows you to use a melee attack to strike an opponent's weapon or shield.
And the Sunder action is clearly defined on the table as a standard action.
Notice that Grapple, Trip, or Disarm are all listed as Action Type: Varies, not Stadnard. Notice that they all carry the footnote mark that specifies that the replace an attack, and can therefore be performed once in attack or charge action, on or more times in a full attack action, or as an attack of opportunity.
Notice how none of that is true for Sunder.
Notice how Grapple, Trip, and Disarm all provoke AoOs without the appropriate feat, and thus the reasoning "Sunder had to be called a standard action because it provokes an AoO" is spurious.
If you're taking the Sunder action, you can use a melee attack to strike an opponent's weapon or shield. If you're not taking the Sunder action, you can't. Since the Sunder action is a standard action, it can't be performed once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full attack action, or as an attack of opportunity.
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