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I like this Verys. In fact as much as I like the Power Cards I too am finding space a factor.
This looks as if it could easily be the inside of a booklet character sheet (landscape 8x11). Any possibility of you making a booklet style character sheet?
Now that's future development :-p LOL Thanks for this.
Here is a first draft of an 8.5x11 booklet character sheet that incorporates the powers reference sheet above. Print double-sided (note you may have to rotate your paper 180 degrees when you put the paper in your printer for the second side, depending on your model). Fold in half and staple if desired.
Looking for comments for version 2 before I upload it to the downloads section.
Here is a first draft of an 8.5x11 booklet character sheet that incorporates the powers reference sheet above. Print double-sided (note you may have to rotate your paper 180 degrees when you put the paper in your printer for the second side, depending on your model). Fold in half and staple if desired.
Looking for comments for version 2 before I upload it to the downloads section.
Cheers,
Verys
Wow, stellar work, Verys! No improvement comments yet. I'm gonna see if anyone wants to use it tomorrow during our game. I'll get back to you with feedback if we use it.
Here is a first draft of an 8.5x11 booklet character sheet that incorporates the powers reference sheet above.
Looking for comments for version 2 before I upload it to the downloads section.
Cheers,
Verys
First impression... AWESOME! Really and truly awesome. It's a space saver, easy to read and functional. The Abilities with the Skills... brilliant. I also like that space hasn't been throw to the wind for a Dungeon & Dragon's 4E logo (I "have been" using Shado's so I love his color transitions... I for one would love a colour option).
Suggestions: I'd love to see page 3 on page 8. I envision wanting a very quick ref. turning over as the game goes on. I'm a card user, but I think the middle powers page is as useful.
This may be asking much but how about placing Init under the AC/F/R/W on page one?
I know space is an issue, but I would really like to see your Hit point section on page 1 with the APs.
I'd love to see this on 8x14 (legal) paper but know that many don't have access to that... and it would defeat the hope of space saving.
Quirky Suggestion: I'd also love to have Kiznit's "Equipped Items" drawing on page 6, but that's pushing it :-)
All in all, what you've offered the community is something special and different. I'll be using this, or v2 this holiday weekend (yup Canadian) to put it to the test.
Last edited by Ghaerdon Fain; 10th October 2008 at 06:19 PM..
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Sorry to double post, but I've been filling this sheet out... and indeed it is worthy of "awesome". I suggested above to place page 3 on page 8, I'm not sure if this what I am really trying to say.
If you could get the Initiative, HP and AP section on page 1 then all would be great and very practical for quick reference. Maybe the solution is going to a smaller font size for the Ability/Skills, and placing the overland scores in place of the Speed calculations?
So I've come to the conclusion that page 8 as is is indeed smart and purposeful.
Sorry to double post, but I've been filling this sheet out... and indeed it is worthy of "awesome". I suggested above to place page 3 on page 8, I'm not sure if this what I am really trying to say.
If you could get the Initiative, HP and AP section on page 1 then all would be great and very practical for quick reference. Maybe the solution is going to a smaller font size for the Ability/Skills, and placing the overland scores in place of the Speed calculations?
So I've come to the conclusion that page 8 as is is indeed smart and purposeful.
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad you like it so far. I'm working on v1.1 now, including adding initiative to the Quick Reference section.
I'm not sure I'll move the full HP/AP sections. The way I envisioned using the booklet was modelled around the 'modes' presented in the DMG. While in combat, you would only need to look at pages 2/3 and the powers on 4/5. If I move HP/AP to page 1, then that introduces more page-flipping. During combat, you likely wouldn't be using the info on page 1 as it is currently.
I don't know about how others use their sheets, but I've noticed that a lot of players will keep a tally of the current HP on a scrap paper, and transfer it to the character sheet at the end of a session. Too much erasing makes thin spots or even holes! With this in mind, I'm not sure devoting a lot of space on page 1 to Current HP is worth it??
Page 1/8 were for exploration and roleplaying modes. I added the Quick reference as a 'just in case' time-saver.
I like Kiznit's 'Equipped' diagram too, but I traded artistic beauty for space to make notes about powers of the magic items. Maybe I'll figure out a way to get form and function here.
Keep your eye out for v1.1! I'll definiatly be making use of the feedback.
EDIT: Maybe I should move page 3 to page 1, page 2 to page 8, so all the combat stats are on the 'cover'. If you open the booklet at the 'seem', page 4/5, then you could flip the whole booklet over for the powers?
Last edited by Verys Arkon; 10th October 2008 at 11:26 PM..
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad you like it so far. I'm working on v1.1 now, including adding initiative to the Quick Reference section.
I'm not sure I'll move the full HP/AP sections. The way I envisioned using the booklet was modelled around the 'modes' presented in the DMG. While in combat, you would only need to look at pages 2/3 and the powers on 4/5. If I move HP/AP to page 1, then that introduces more page-flipping. During combat, you likely wouldn't be using the info on page 1 as it is currently.
I don't know about how others use their sheets, but I've noticed that a lot of players will keep a tally of the current HP on a scrap paper, and transfer it to the character sheet at the end of a session. Too much erasing makes thin spots or even holes! With this in mind, I'm not sure devoting a lot of space on page 1 to Current HP is worth it??
Page 1/8 were for exploration and roleplaying modes. I added the Quick reference as a 'just in case' time-saver.
I like Kiznit's 'Equipped' diagram too, but I traded artistic beauty for space to make notes about powers of the magic items. Maybe I'll figure out a way to get form and function here. ...
EDIT: Maybe I should move page 3 to page 1, page 2 to page 8, so all the combat stats are on the 'cover'. If you open the booklet at the 'seem', page 4/5, then you could flip the whole booklet over for the powers?
I like the rational, makes much better sense to me. I usually end up with the eraser hole ... mark of honour but you're right, most probably don't do it that way. I particularly like the idea of 3 to 1, maybe with name & class and ... hahahaah ... some credit to D&D with some tiny icon :-)
Version 2 is ready. I've made quit a few changes and shifted things around a bit.
Added HP, Initiative, Action Points, Second Wind, Death Saves to page 1. Shrunk the Ability Scores/Skills section
Magic items and equipment moved to page 2/3
Infrequently used information got moved to pages 6/7. Background on page 6, and a collection of workspaces on page 7.
Moved Race/Class/Feats/AP Uses to page 8 - the back cover.
You should be able to play most of the game with just the front cover if you use cards. Otherwise you could open the booklet at the seem and lay it down so page 8/1 are upright. Flip over the whole booklet for powers.
As soon as the layout settles down, I'll add form-fill functions for the pdf.
This looks really solid. We generally play with power cards, as writing everything out can be a big pain...but storing and upkeeping power cards is generally an even bigger pain. Unfortunately, there's not enough space on your power sheet to list all the fine details that will prevent mid-session lookups ("so do I get +2 until the end of your turn, or until my next attack?", etc., etc., et al), especially on those extra wordy powers that you get as a wizard or warlord (no effing way you're fitting Bigby's Icy Grasp on this sheet...)
More and more 4e is seeming like an "open book" RPG unless you want to spend a lot of time and money on play aids. You figure cardstock paper, printer ink, and card sleeves...I've spent probably $25 on power cards. It's absolutely ridiculous. When the WotC power cards start to look like a good deal...bleh. It's like they planned it all along. You start saying "is $10/class really that much?" But yeah...it is. You're talking about $160 to have a copy of each class from PHB1 and PHB2. Does anyone remember getting into this hobby because it was cheap?
Yeesh, sorry for the rant. Really, you did some great work here. Character booklets are great. =D
Very nice Verys. When form filling is added this will be the perfect character sheet/booklet. Thanks!
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Very, very cool. Small on the table, fits a lot of stuff and plays well with power cards, I think.
The first page contains almost everything coming up (basic attacks, skills, hit points, defences), so I still have room for power cards and the other pages are great for tracking other stuff!
Very, very cool. Small on the table, fits a lot of stuff and plays well with power cards, I think.
The first page contains almost everything coming up (basic attacks, skills, hit points, defences), so I still have room for power cards and the other pages are great for tracking other stuff!
Like it a lot! (despite not being DIN A4-sized )
Cheers, LT.
For my Commonwealth brothers and sisters, here is an A4 sized version. (If you live as close to the giant to the south as we do in Canada, you tend to do what he says.)
Test it out for me and let me know if I've got the sizes right.
Cheers,
Verys
I am a huge fan of the layout choices you make with this sheet. When can we see a form-fillable version? I'd be all over this if I could plug in the numbers in the workspace area and have it calculate.
but you're right, most probably don't do it that way. I particularly like the idea of 3 to 1, maybe with name & class and ... hahahaah ... some credit to D&D with some tiny icon :-)
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