Feat Battlerager Vigor Expansions.

[Garthanos]

Empathic Vigor and Pain Rage Vigor are inspired by the new Battlerager vigor errata, the first ups the defendery nature of the brv build even further and gives a race (the deva a leg up at being a class you dont normally see them in the fighter!) and the second invokes the originally style of the first brv fighter but puts it in a new context

Empathic Vigor
"Do not harm my friends"
Prerequisites: Fighter, Battlerager Vigor class feature
Benefit: At the start of your turn, if an ally in 10 squares has taken real hit point damage from an enemy since the end of your last turn, you gain temporary hit points equal to your Wisdom modifier. If you are a Deva your attacks do an extra point of damage if you have temporary hit points.

Pain Rage Vigor
"Danger is what I live for" or "You wouldnt like me when I'm angry"
Prerequisites: Fighter, Battlerager Vigor class feature
Benefit: At the start of your turn, if an you have taken real hit point damage since the end of your last turn, you gain temporary hit points equal to your Constitution modifier.

Enraged Retaliation
"how dare you strike me"
trigger: you take hit point damage from an attack.
Benefit: Your next attack against the enemy who triggered this power gets a to +2 feat damage bonus.

Frustrated Indignation.
"I will not be denied"
trigger : Using a skill other than perception in the middle of battle and your skill use fails. Gain thp equal to d8 + your charisma. If you can re-attempt this skill use you receive +2 feat bonus on your performance. Once per encounter.

[Garthanos]

Hmmm Pain Rage Vigor is a work in progress, I am thinking about how to give it a boost ... also for races where indignation and immediate retaliation sound doubly appropriate like perhaps the Eladrin.

[77IM]

Hmmm... you could phrase these as Immediate Reactions triggering off of the event ("An ally within 10 squares of you takes damage" and "You take damage which decreases your hit point total"). That way, when the start of your turn rolls around, you don't need to say, "Hey, wait, did anybody take damage that round?"

Both abilities seem very strong for feats. THP are very powerful and the triggering conditions seem like things that would happen a LOT. These might as well say "You get X THP at the start of each round," which seems very strong. I think I would either limit these to once per encounter. OR provide a bonus to the THP provided by BattleRageVigor; for example, when you get BRV THP, if [an ally | you] have taken damage since last round, you get extra THP equal to your Wisdom mod (you don't want to double-dip Constitution), or maybe equal to +2 (sometimes a fixed value is better than an ability mod, especially for feats, which tend to give fixed values and have ability prerequisites).


I really like the flavor, though. You could develop an entire line of "Personality" feats where you get some bonus in some circumstance based on personality traits. It might encourage more role-playing in certain players.

-- 77IM

[Garthanos]

Originally Posted by 77IM

HP are very powerful and the triggering conditions seem like things that would happen a LOT.

examine the actual effects for EV ...

Empathic Vigor
When you get these hit points at the beginning of your turn and you do attack on your turn you probably already have thp when your brv gives you thp and since they dont stack! well atleast you do get the damage bonus on the attack you make!.

Having empathic vigor based on Wisdom instead of Con is indeed interesting in subtle ways. It goes along with the Fighters third attribute that BRV builds seem to ignore.
I suppose it could almost be written this way.

Empathic Rage: if an ally in 10 squares has taken hit point damage from an enemy since the end of your last turn you gain your BRV damage bonus to your attacks whether you have thp or not.


For Pain Rage Vigor
We cant tie it in with BRV damage Notice I made this for non Defender class characters... so If you get the lesser of con and wisdom mod. High Con classes and characters must have Wisdom to get pts from it. And for people who arent defenders if they are getting hit a lot, they are in real trouble eh?

Compare or durable feat that many take in some way durable gives me half again more hitpoints, assuming I play nice with allies to help enable access to those.

Originally Posted by 77IM

I really like the flavor, though. You could develop an entire line of "Personality" feats where you get some bonus in some circumstance based on personality traits. It might encourage more role-playing in certain players.
-- 77IM

That is the idea ...

[Garthanos]

Pain rage vigor is tougher to balance I think as it is a pure defense and not tying in with a class feature.

It could be written up as once per round you may apply damage resistance of the lesser of wisdom or constitution mod... I am actually thinking charisma could sneak in instead of wisdom ie... righteous indignation seems a feature of charismatics.... more than the wise .... I do think we can simplify... I will make another change . Thanks for the feedback

[Garthanos]

Pain rage vigor was too powerful no matter how I sliced it... dropped it entirelly. But I like the name of it... and if it was integrated in to a class it could be cool.

[FireLance]

Enraged Retaliation is quite similar to the utility power for the Pit Fighter fighter paragon path, which is a daily ability that triggers off taking damage from a melee attack and grants the user a +2 to attack and damage rolls against the enemy that damaged him until the end if his next turn.

If Enraged Retaliation is pretty much at-will, I would limit it to a small damage bonus.

If it's effectively an encounter ability, e.g. it triggers the first time you get bloodied in an encounter, I could allow a small attack bonus as well.

[Garthanos]

Compare the enraged retaliation to... Berzerkers Fury...I changed it to not give the bonus to hit since that messes with Battleragers losing the +1 to hit.... and they do have to actually damage you.. for you to get the bonus and after you attack until you get damaged again no bonus damage. Berzerkers fury gives the damage all the time throughout the encounter its invoked in sure one encounter per day...but unrestricted who the bonus is against or how many attacks per round.

[Garthanos]

Note I put Pain rage vigor back on the list..as a brv extension feat, because it really does connect with the original battlerager vigor. I dont like it as much as empathic vigor because it is kind of anti defendery (but I think its ok for fighters to bleed in to strikers)

Firelance deserves credit for the idea he called it wounded vigor, my changes weren't as successful as the original form.

[Garthanos]

Frustrated Indignation.
"I will not be denied"
trigger : Using a skill in the middle of battle and your skill use fails.
Gain thp equal to 2d6 + your charisma. If you can re-attempt this skill use you receive +2 feat bonus on your performance. Use limited once per day.

[Garthanos]

I almost want to limit Frustrated Indignation so that skills frequently used in a fight were excluded then "I wouldnt mind allowing it once per encounter and reduce it to d6 thp" after all...