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Old 3rd November 2008, 06:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ampersand: The Bard (merged)

Ampersand: Welcome to the Inside

Wow, talk about lots of information. We got a fair portion if not all of the Class Features, and also a ton of Powers.

The Bard really is a versatile Class; a huge Class Skill List, Multiclass Versatility, Skill Versatility can cast ordinary Rituals and Bard Rituals. Wow...

I am thinking too there will be some manner of Blade-Bard, Blade Dancer or Bladesinger PP given that it mentions Songblades and in the Weapon list both Longsword, Short Sword and Scimitar are listed and not other Military Martial.

Also can't find any mention of Patrons as was talked about in the Preview Books. Seems they want for simply being a practitioner of Arcane Magic.

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Old 3rd November 2008, 07:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow...I mean...wow. The bard gets a huge list of class abilities, and most of its powers seem pretty nice.

So far, that is definitely a class I wouldn't mind playing.
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ampersand: the bard

Ampersand: Welcome to the Inside

This month's ampersand has a preview of the first 10 levels of the the bard and powers for one build, the, "cunning bard."

Interesting things to note:

1. bards can multiclass into as many classes as they like
2. there are new rituals specific to bards
3. the bard has quite a skill list
4. it seems to play like a ranged warlord mixed with an illusionist
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Tasty!

If they take Jack-of-all-trades, they get +3 to all untrained skill checks.
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For those of us without the subscription, perhaps a few more details? Is the bard an arcane leader?
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Yes, Arcane leader.
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Wow, I so want to play a bard now.
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[...for one build, the, "cunning bard."
Ah, finally...my bard can take the Linguist feat and truly be a Cunning Linguist.


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I'm wondering if I could actually add a Bard to my current game. We are currently on the cusp of level 7. We average a level every three weeks, and between now and the the middle of march is 132 days. 132 days=19 weeks. 19 weeks is 6 levels plus 1 week, so if the pattern holds, we'll have just gained level 13. Luckily, classes don't get class powers at level 11 or 12. We'd have to reskin a Warlord or Cleric Paragon Path for the Bard, or require multiclassing(which could also cover the level 13 power). Multiclassing isn't a terrible option, since the lack of Class feats would leave the Bard a few free.

I'm sure we'll get more of a preview of the bard at some point, maybe some level 13 powers, maybe a Paragon Path before then. Surely in the month leading up to PHB II.
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For those of us without the subscription, perhaps a few more details? Is the bard an arcane leader?
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Remember that what I'm about to share with you is secret and highly confidential. Make sure you only talk about this stuff with other Insiders.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 02:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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And again another awesome class that I would play in an instant

To bad that we didn't get to see some weapon-powers since I always pictured the Bard to be a mixture of Martial and Arcane Class (attacking with Weapons and Charming with spells). But I am quite sure that they concentrated on Implement Powers in this Article so that we can playtest them already.

Hmm... I just wonder if you count as a martial Class if you multiclass to a Rogue. That would enable you to become a Bard-Rogue Whip Master (Weapon-Multiclass needs you to be a Martial Character)

The Song of Rest is weak IMHO since in my experience you usually use your leader-healing in the restphase (10 minute Rest versus 5 minutes is normally not a problem). If the song would be as strong as Majestic Word at level 6+ then it would be awesome but at the moment I would only see use at low levels and if the whole group is down (where you might need half a dozen or more Healing Powers and therefore 30min+).
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Does anyone else think there's a case for power creep here?
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Does anyone else think there's a case for power creep here?
Why?

He seems to me quite balanced to the Cleric and Warlord without stepping on their toes.
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Echoes of the Guardian is a weapon power. See the Weapon keyword. It also attacks AC.
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Which stats does he use? Implements? I honestly hope we don't get instruments as an implement....i think i would cry.
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