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I think this thread is showing what the problem is....
I don't think KQ could ever, or should ever, be the crunch-hose DDI is. But I like the combination of edition neutral material (including, but not just, the interviews, which have stuff you will never see on the D&D webpage), the different spin on the 4E crunch, and the inovative take in a lot of the 3E articles, which means it can still be source of ideas.
Of course, I wouldn't mind more 4E specific articles either.
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More than likely I have been labeled with many names that are unflattering.
Can't say for sure whether or not I am in a minority, but being labeled a hater or contrarion in any way is certainly nothing with which I would disagree.
Yeah, well I do not know of anyone who has labeled you anything. You pretty much took care of that all by yourself with this:
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This is precisely why people that play Pathfinder and 3rd edition, are actually anti-4e. It is not so much there is a new edition, it is that the edition they played is losing all of its support.
Anyway, after some thinking, I think TD has a really good point. I have simply had the wrong expectations from KQ. It will never be Dragon version 2, but that doesn't mean it can't be useful still.
/consider.
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Stop seeing everything as a competition. Besides, this is hardly the thread to discuss this particular issue.
Competition? What are you even talking about?
I want to continue having support for the game that I play, that's 3.5 / Pathfinder. There are in fact 3 periodicals that support 4E. I don't support or play 4E so it would make sense that I'd like to hold on to support for the game that I play.
I didnt attack 4E and I didnt attack anyone who plays 4E. I just voiced that I'd like to keep the only magazine that supports the game that I play. If you have a particular problem with me I'd like to know what it is. You can PM me if need be.
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Well in my personal experience the reason people stop supporting something when it gives to much/not enough 4E/3E/SIF/whatever is that they are lazy! Well I am and I prefer to have some one else do all the math crunchy stuff
So If KQ is going to include more 4E (or keep a similar level to now) I will continue my subscription. I was into RiverKing and am in MountainKing, and got a 3 issue to see what it was like having so much enjoyed RK.
So for me, keep up the 4E work! At the moment anyway, I may switch to GURPs so I can get PDFs LOL...
I want to continue having support for the game that I play, that's 3.5 / Pathfinder. There are in fact 3 periodicals that support 4E. I don't support or play 4E so it would make sense that I'd like to hold on to support for the game that I play.
I didnt attack 4E and I didnt attack anyone who plays 4E. I just voiced that I'd like to keep the only magazine that supports the game that I play. If you have a particular problem with me I'd like to know what it is. You can PM me if need be.
I think we just got off the wrong foot. I have no issues with you. My comment regarding competition was just the fact that you seem to put a lot of weight on who had the most magazines supporting their edition. Nothing else. Although if you count stuff like Dungeon for 4e, you should really count Pathfinder for you guys
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Truxas, human feylock/bard (feytouched->feyliege)
Tagron, human rogue (daggermaster->deadly trickster) 21th level Musings of an Epic Virgin
Well in my personal experience the reason people stop supporting something when it gives to much/not enough 4E/3E/SIF/whatever is that they are lazy! Well I am and I prefer to have some one else do all the math crunchy stuff
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I would not say lazy, but some of us have limited game funds. I have no hate for 4e , but I have no use for it either. So why would I spend my limited money on a mag supporting a game I do not play? I don't mean an article here or there, but once the mag becomes half or more 4e I really can't justify spending my limited funds on it. That's not malice, it's not being lazy it is just how things are.
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I don't mean an article here or there, but once the mag becomes half or more 4e I really can't justify spending my limited funds on it. That's not malice, it's not being lazy it is just how things are.
Seems fair to me. If you go by articles, the magazine is currently about 25% 4E. That doesn't count the system-neutral articles.
That number might go up or down, depending on letters from subscribers, on what submissions we receive, and so on.
A significant amount of setting-neutral and rules-light stuff in KQ is actually geared to be particularly useful for 4E players. I mean, battlecries for warlords and insights into tiefling personality? If you think such things feature prominently in 3E games, you must be kidding yourself.
I don't think anyone can outdo WotC as to the crunch on 4E. But the two things I just mentioned re warlords and tieflings - now THOSE I call useful supplements to my 4E core books.
A significant amount of setting-neutral and rules-light stuff in KQ is actually geared to be particularly useful for 4E players. I mean, battlecries for warlords and insights into tiefling personality? If you think such things feature prominently in 3E games, you must be kidding yourself.
I don't think anyone can outdo WotC as to the crunch on 4E. But the two things I just mentioned re warlords and tieflings - now THOSE I call useful supplements to my 4E core books.
Those two articles sound interesting - what issue were they in?
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Carric, elf cleric/ranger (radiant servant->saint)
Torn, tiefling wizard/cleric (divine oracle->sages of ages)
Truxas, human feylock/bard (feytouched->feyliege)
Tagron, human rogue (daggermaster->deadly trickster) 21th level Musings of an Epic Virgin
Those two articles sound interesting - what issue were they in?
Issue #8 features "Battle Cries", by Mario Podeschi.
Issue #6 features "The Truth about Tieflings" written by David Zeb Cook. Interesting in light of this:
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia re Tieflings
The name "Tiefling" was coined by Wolfgang Baur, when original Planescape designer David "Zeb" Cook asked for a Germanic-sounding word for humans with fiendish blood.
That's an awesome resource which (if you're interested) can be usefully supplemented by
1) Monte Cook on tiefling personality in his Planewalker's Handbook (for 2E AD&D), and
2) Rob Schwalb's Aasimar and Tiefling, a Green Ronin Supplement for 3E
I wanted to pitch an article re tiefling personality to KQ myself, but when I saw DC had written one, I never sent it
Edit. Sorry, I forgot one thing. If you'd like to know more about tieflings in 4th edition, then obviously you should check out Worlds & Monsters. It contains the fullest portrayal of Bael Turath to date.
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Issue #8 features "Battle Cries", by Mario Podeschi.
Issue #6 features "The Truth about Tieflings" written by David Zeb Cook. Interesting in light of this:
That's an awesome resource which (if you're interested) can be usefully supplemented by
1) Monte Cook on tiefling personality in his Planewalker's Handbook (for 2E AD&D), and
2) Rob Schwalb's Aasimar and Tiefling, a Green Ronin Supplement for 3E
I wanted to pitch an article re tiefling personality to KQ myself, but when I saw DC had written one, I never sent it
Edit. Sorry, I forgot one thing. If you'd like to know more about tieflings in 4th edition, then obviously you should check out Worlds & Monsters. It contains the fullest portrayal of Bael Turath to date.
Thanks for the info, will check out the two KQ issues. Regarding the other stuff you suggested, I have been looking for the Planewalker's Handbook forever, but haven't been able to find it at a decent price (hardcover) - Selling all of my 2e stuff back when we switched to 3e was such a stupid move! I am not familiar with the GR book, but maybe it is available on PDF. I have W&M.
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Gnoguh, human fighter/cleric (kensei->adamantine soldier)
Carric, elf cleric/ranger (radiant servant->saint)
Torn, tiefling wizard/cleric (divine oracle->sages of ages)
Truxas, human feylock/bard (feytouched->feyliege)
Tagron, human rogue (daggermaster->deadly trickster) 21th level Musings of an Epic Virgin
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and insights into tiefling personality? If you think such things feature prominently in 3E games, you must be kidding yourself.
It features rather prominently in my game (and 2e Planescape and 3e FR). If anyone thinks that tieflings are a novel and groundbreaking 4e feature, now that's kidding themselves.
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I would not say lazy, but some of us have limited game funds. I have no hate for 4e , but I have no use for it either. So why would I spend my limited money on a mag supporting a game I do not play? I don't mean an article here or there, but once the mag becomes half or more 4e I really can't justify spending my limited funds on it. That's not malice, it's not being lazy it is just how things are.
I have to agree with this. If KQ moves to even half 4e, I would start having a lot less use for it due to limited funding. That said, the centaur article was useful even though it was 4e and the battle cries could be used in any edition.
I have to agree with this. If KQ moves to even half 4e, I would start having a lot less use for it due to limited funding. That said, the centaur article was useful even though it was 4e and the battle cries could be used in any edition.
I think you might be seeing the outlines of an editorial mind at work.
Seriously, we do strive to make the articles useful to any D&D gamer, and even to people playing other fantasy systems. Some articles are pretty much driven by mechanics, but not all of them.
Seriously, we do strive to make the articles useful to any D&D gamer, and even to people playing other fantasy systems. Some articles are pretty much driven by mechanics, but not all of them.
I let my KQ subscription lapse with the 3e/4e parting of the ways, but I re-upped today. Issue 9 looks good - keep it up, and don't let yourself become solely a 4e or a 3.5e product.
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