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What's ahead for D&D? What approach will WotC take?

Mercurius

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It has only been a month since I started this thread but we've seen the publication of the first few Essentials products and I think we all have a better sense about what Essentials is (a new entry point and format of the 4E rules) and what it is not (a new or even revised edition). It is "4.5" in that WotC hopes that 4E players buy these new products and are making at least some of them useful in their own right (e.g. Rules Compendium), but it is not 4.5 in that the new rules books do not make the "old" 4E hardcovers defunct (and thus it is not deserving of the same sort of ire that 3.5 initially got).

So my question: What's ahead for D&D and WotC? When will we see a 5E? Will we see a 5E? What about revised core rulebooks? Or will WotC take a different route and just keep on adding and adjusting bits and pieces, here and there, updating the game through D&D Insider rather than through new hard copies? Even more so, what is the approach that WotC will take with D&D from this point forward? Are they going to continue with the product treadmill approach that we've seen with every previous edition? Or does D&D Insider offer new possibilities, even to get off the treadmill or at least change the nature of it?

One thing I see going forward is a more clearly defined relationship between D&D Insider as the core game itself and the hardcopy books as temporal products that introduce new concepts and ideas. But it is the ongoing, ever-changing D&D Insider product that is and will be D&D. This will not invalidate or take away the need to have actual physical products, but it will clarify that the only truly up-to-date edition of D&D, complete with errata and new rules, is virtual, can only be virtual.

We will see new supplements in the next few years but nothing like what we saw with 3E and 3.5E. By my count we saw about 100 hardcover books from 2000 to 2008; so far we have about a third that in just two and a half years of 4E, but I would guess that this number will taper, so that rather than 15 or so hardcovers a year, we'll see maybe half a dozen. We will see more softcover books, more box sets, and more related products like the board games. But again, the source document and primary reference for the rules of D&D will be Insider.

In 2011 we will see a major new Adventure Tool introduced. I'm not sure exactly what that will be, but I think we will both see some kind of encounter creator, an adventure and even campaign designer, and possibly even a tool to create feats, classes, powers, magic items, etc; in other words, tools to facilitate the creation of house rules. In the pre-3E days the idea was to offer, package and sell optional rules; with 3E and the OGL the idea was to provide a framework for others to publish options and adventures to strengthen the official line; the future will be to create a set of indispensible tools for the creation of house rules and options by individual DMs. In other words, where the past was offering finished products built with official "secret tools," the future will be to offer the tools themselves (for a price!).

At some point in either late 2011 or the first half of 2012 we will see revised core rulebooks. But again, they won't as much be a "4.5" as they will be the physical manifestation of the rules that exist already in the form of D&D Insider.

Now you could say that with this approach there will never need to be a game called "D&D 5E." But I would think that at some point there still will be. It won't simply be a revision like I'm predicting we will see in 2011 of 2012. At some point WotC will start holding back new stuff; or rather, they'll keep producing for 4E, but will hold back any major changes, instead saving some kind of major innovation for 5E. To use a card game analogy, WotC will try to save a few aces for 5E and play everything else they have until then.
 

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I hope they continue making more 4e products to be backwards compatible with earlier 4e books. I doubt we'll be seeing 5e for several more years. It's too early for that because it's usually one edition per decade, give or take a couple years.

There are still a few campaigns they still need to release like Ravenloft, and possibly Dragonlance and Planescape. I'd also like to see supplements for Feywild and Shadowrealm.
 

I have read heroes and its compatibility with 4E worries me a bit. It may just be me, but I plan to raid it for feats, powers and racial abilities, but not the classes, at least not yet.
 

If only there was an eight part video series of WotC talking about whats next...

oh wait!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKX3wwmREwA]YouTube - D&D Preview at Gencon 2010, Part 1[/ame]
 

IMHO we will be far better equipped to answer those questions after the next DDI update. There's been hints here and there that there's more to it's delay than problems with incorporating Essentials line. Hopefully we're up for a pleasant surprise.
If it was only the Essentials? It will be a testimony to how compatible it really was with rest of the system.

Although as a non-windows player, I'd be happy even if they were simply taking time to throw away the .Net Framework for something at least remotely multi-platform.
 

I hope they continue making more 4e products to be backwards compatible with earlier 4e books. I doubt we'll be seeing 5e for several more years. It's too early for that because it's usually one edition per decade, give or take a couple years.
I think it's unlikely that we can follow the "one edition per decade" rule simply in retrospect, edition duration seems to be more a function of market interest than anything else.

There are still a few campaigns they still need to release like Ravenloft, and possibly Dragonlance and Planescape.
I also doubt that the duration of an edition is dependent on any pre-supposed releases. Clearly, they didn't get around to an 'obligatory' Dark Sun supplement for 3rd Edition before they switched over to 4E. (Nevermind the fact that they're choosing to integrate components of these settings into the Core World to make sure the Core is as DM-flexible as they aspire it to be)
 

I hope they continue making more 4e products to be backwards compatible with earlier 4e books. I doubt we'll be seeing 5e for several more years. It's too early for that because it's usually one edition per decade, give or take a couple years.

There are still a few campaigns they still need to release like Ravenloft, and possibly Dragonlance and Planescape. I'd also like to see supplements for Feywild and Shadowrealm.

See ourchair's comment.

As for the campaign settings, you seem to be assuming that WotC will go through the same old lineup. I don't think they will--I think it is highly unlikely that we'll see an official Dragonlance setting, for instance, or Greyhawk, Birthright, etc (although a Birthright board game would be nice). They are also finding ways to integrate settings without doing a whole write-up; the Ravenloft board game, and Planescape and Spelljammer elements in the planar books.

FYI, they are coming out with a Shadowfell box set next year. I think it sort of negates the need for a Ravenloft book.

I have read heroes and its compatibility with 4E worries me a bit. It may just be me, but I plan to raid it for feats, powers and racial abilities, but not the classes, at least not yet.

I'm not too worried. What I like about it is that it shows off the flexibility of the core system. If anything I think we'll see more of this in the future, more Magic of Incarnum-like products that offer variant structures, power usages, classes, etc.

As I said in my OP, D&D Insider offers a new opportunity for modularity of rules. It is easier than ever to "port in" different rules options, pick what you like, and take a toolbox approach to individualizing your game. That, to me, is what WotC should be focusing on and thus not holding back tools like "Class Builder" that they might have felt leery about doing because it might discourage people from buying new splat books if everyone has an easy way to build a balanced 4E class, for example.

If only there was an eight part video series of WotC talking about whats next...oh wait!

I assume that's video of the podcast? If so, they only talk about the next year or even less, up to about summer of next year. I'm talking about beyond that.

IMHO we will be far better equipped to answer those questions after the next DDI update. There's been hints here and there that there's more to it's delay than problems with incorporating Essentials line. Hopefully we're up for a pleasant surprise.

If it was only the Essentials? It will be a testimony to how compatible it really was with rest of the system.

Hmm...I'd like to believe that we're getting something new, but I have heard absolutely nothing beyond fan speculation. What sort of "hints" are you talking about? Is there anything substantial to go on?

I mean, if the two options for why an update is late are: Either 1) WotC is coming out with a major addition to D&D Insider, perhaps a new Adventure Tool, or 2) They're having difficulty integrating Dark Sun and Essentials, I think we have to assume the latter as more likely. I hope that isn't the case, though!

I think it's unlikely that we can follow the "one edition per decade" rule simply in retrospect, edition duration seems to be more a function of market interest than anything else.

Yes, agreed. If WotC strongly felt that 5E would be wildly successful, popular, and lucrative in 2012 they would be shooting for 2012. But they also want sustained popularity; releasing 5E within five years of 4E would still be somewhat financially lucrative, but not as much so if they waited six+ years. But I think they can release 5E sooner than they released other editions after previous editions (2E: 11-12 years; 3E: 11 years; 4E: 8 years) because of the number of disgruntled fans that didn't stick with 4E, if--and this is a big if--they can make 5E something that appeals to the three main groups of potential buyers (pre-4E fans, 4E fans, and potential fans).

I also doubt that the duration of an edition is dependent on any pre-supposed releases. Clearly, they didn't get around to an 'obligatory' Dark Sun supplement for 3rd Edition before they switched over to 4E. (Nevermind the fact that they're choosing to integrate components of these settings into the Core World to make sure the Core is as DM-flexible as they aspire it to be)

Yes, that's what I was getting at about with their incorporation of elements of Spelljammer and Planescape into the planar books. While it would be nice to think that they are laying the ground for a future Spelljammer or Planescape book, I kind of doubt it (Although, as I have said a few times elsewhere, a Pirates of the Astral Sea board game would be a terrific idea, imo).
 

Hmm...I'd like to believe that we're getting something new, but I have heard absolutely nothing beyond fan speculation. What sort of "hints" are you talking about? Is there anything substantial to go on?

Sadly, it can be summarized as mixture of gossips from one of the "Where's my update dude?" threads and wishful thinking.
 


I don't think that the DDI or electronic tools will play much of a part in the future of D&D unless WOTC starts treating it seriously and gives more support and development than it currently receives.
 

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