Iron Heroes is available on DriveThruRPG now.

Kaos said:

You'll be disappointed to hear (if you haven't heard already), slight cheese out on the 'spectre' issue you raised before. Incorporeality gets changed to give them just a flat 50% chance to not be hurt (instead of 'need magic + 50% miss chance.)

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• The section on magic is very, very lite.
• Armor doesn't interfere with spellcasting, which isn't a problem if you're an Elric fan, but certainly leaves the question of why a Gandalf-type wizard wouldn't be wrapped in full plate unanswered, other than perhaps the burning desire to make a fashion statement.
• I can easily see Intelligence becoming a bigger dump stat than Charisma. Most clases will have more skill points than they know what to do with--almost literally.When you have skill groups giving you a rank in four skills for 1 skill point, and most classes have a couple of skill groups available, and those skill groups cover the skills that you'lll primarily want anyway, I don't think we really need some classes getting 8 or more skill points a level.
• The art direction seems to give the wrong impression IMO. It looks too much like caveman fantasy, with many characters (especially those at the front of the book) wearing hides and face paints and other primitive affectations.

Felon said:

Hmm. The thread got shuffled along with a bunch of others on the general discussion. I feel the heavy hand of a bored moderator.

So far, so good. The classes, feats, and stunts deliver for the most part. Some potential concerns:

• The section on magic is very, very lite.
• Armor doesn't interfere with spellcasting, which isn't a problem if you're an Elric fan, but certainly leaves the question of why a Gandalf-type wizard wouldn't be wrapped in full plate unanswered, other than perhaps the burning desire to make a fashion statement.

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  While there's no interference with spellcasting, Arcanists don't get proficiency with armour. Gandalf has better things to do with his feats than grab heavy armour, and doesn't want the penalties for non-proficient usage.
  
  

  [*]I can easily see Intelligence becoming a bigger dump stat than Charisma. Most clases will have more skill points than they know what to do with--almost literally.When you have skill groups giving you a rank in four skills for 1 skill point, and most classes have a couple of skill groups available, and those skill groups cover the skills that you'lll primarily want anyway, I don't think we really need some classes getting 8 or more skill points a level.

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  The Lore feat masteries (and the "Tactics of the Mind" mastery) may counteract that somewhat.

Felon said:

Armor doesn't interfere with spellcasting, which isn't a problem if you're an Elric fan, but certainly leaves the question of why a Gandalf-type wizard wouldn't be wrapped in full plate unanswered, other than perhaps the burning desire to make a fashion statement.

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Kaos said:

While there's no interference with spellcasting, Arcanists don't get proficiency with armour. Gandalf has better things to do with his feats than grab heavy armour, and doesn't want the penalties for non-proficient usage.

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EricNoah said:

There's no reason not to pick up some armor and/or shield proficiencies with your feat slots. Do it and suddenly you're a little more druid or cleric-like, depending on your spell methods.

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Felon said:

What exactly are the big penalties an arcanist would be worried about?



If armor actuall required feats for an arcanist to use effectively, that'd be fine, but does the arcanist really suffer much from nonproficiency? Gandalf takes a penalty to a bunch of physical skills and BAB that he won't be getting much use out of anyway.

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EricNoah said:

There's no reason not to pick up some armor and/or shield proficiencies with your feat slots.

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mhacdebhandia said:

If DriveThruRPG would get off their arses and start accepting American Express I could be reading Iron Heroes instead of complaining.

I guess I'll have to hit the city soon and see if it's in the stores.

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