Inspire Courage Optimization
FireLance
Legend
I'd rule that it doubles the effect of bonuses from levels (so it would stack with the vest) but I'd rule that it only works with vocal performances - Perform (sing), Perform (oratory), and maybe Perform (comdey), so it would not stack with the effects of masterwork instruments, Song of the Heart, or inspirational boost.Mistwell said:
I have a theory that WotC tends to make boosting abilities (bardic music, the White Raven maneuvers from the Book of Nine Swords) a bit more powerful to encourage co-operative play, and because the booster usually has to work through others and share the spotlight.
Sejs
First Post
I could definitely see that as appropriate. They are words of creation, after all. Not.. I don't know.. sheet music of creation. Guitar Tableture of Creation.FireLance said:
That said, I would, however, let a character overlap performance methods if they had the requisite ranks in both Perform specializations. So if you have enough ranks in both Perform (Sing) and Perform (Stringed) I'd allow for the overlay of the modifiers from both Words of Creation and a masterwork lute, say. Singing with accompanyment and all that.
Elder-Basilisk
First Post
Mistwell said:
And Words of Creation. BoED is a non-updated 3.0 book, as you can tell by briefly glancing at the feat.
Doubling the bonus Inspire Courage bonus is one thing when it stays at +1 forever. It's entirely different when it goes up to +4 to hit and damage as it does in 3.5.
Considering the changes in the bard class from 3.0 to 3.5, it should not come as a surprise that Inspire Courage can get utterly and completely broken by applying a powerful 3.0 feat verbatim to 3.5 abilities.
Sejs
First Post
Subsonics can get downright disgusting.Slaved said:
Bard X, Shadowdancer 1, Subsonics feat.
What's that you say? Fascinate and Suggestion and they don't even know I'm there? The save DC against my Suggestion is still equal to my perform check, so nobody ever will make it? And I can do it how often? Do go on.
Sound of Azure
Contemplative Soul
Sejs said:Subsonics can get downright disgusting.
Bard X, Shadowdancer 1, Subsonics feat.
What's that you say? Fascinate and Suggestion and they don't even know I'm there? The save DC against my Suggestion is still equal to my perform check, so nobody ever will make it? And I can do it how often? Do go on.
I thought the target of Fascinate had to be able to see you? Or is that something that subsonics gets past?
We had this character in a campaign we played. He also had a marshall level for a nice +8 initiative bonus. Our fighters loved loved loved it. I believe we treated it like damage doubling on a crit - add all the bonuses and double it at the end - which obviously makes it even more effective. But the +5 we got with a 'normal' inspire courage wasn't so bad either.
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